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Producing IATF 16949 compliant calibration certificates
Producing IATF 16949 compliant calibration certificates
Producing IATF 16949 compliant calibration certificates
Producing IATF 16949 compliant calibration certificates
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:47 PM
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The calibration provider would have to like it or they would cease getting paid of course. We would have no use for them if they refused to provide a useful service. Our requirements that the system pass their MSA using our personnel loading should cover the placing of the wrench on the unit fixture. Again, I don't see how having an on-site calibration provider makes any difference to having the wrench sent out to them for calibration. Why would the physical location of the service matter in any way and how would the IATF separate the two? Why do you insist that physical location at the time of calibration matters?

Remember, the calibration equipment provider and calibration company are one and the same and they are under contract to provide a TS worthy (before IATF change) calibration certificate as I understand it.
They are calibrating your equipment and providing you with a certificate. If you where seeking IATF certification you would be good.

But now you are sending the wrench to your customer. It's calibrated off your calibrated equipment. Your certificate is the issue. Your customer needs something that will pass an audit. It's really their problem, not yours. You can help if they tell you what to do. But I don't think you'll get your calibration house to let you issue their certificate to your customers. You just have to figure out the easiest work around.

It's no different than when we have our scales calibrated by the manufacturer. Problems always arise because they don't have 17025. It's easier to have the guy that does our cmm do our scales as well.

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Old 14th February 2018, 05:05 PM
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They are calibrating your equipment and providing you with a certificate. If you where seeking IATF certification you would be good.

But now you are sending the wrench to your customer. It's calibrated off your calibrated equipment. Your certificate is the issue. Your customer needs something that will pass an audit. It's really their problem, not yours. You can help if they tell you what to do. But I don't think you'll get your calibration house to let you issue their certificate to your customers. You just have to figure out the easiest work around.

It's no different than when we have our scales calibrated by the manufacturer. Problems always arise because they don't have 17025. It's easier to have the guy that does our cmm do our scales as well.
No, I think it is different because the certificate is generated off contracted equipment, maintained and monitored by that contractor, from the equipment manufacturer and that contractor/manufacturer is ISO/IEC 17025 accredited.

In your example - Suppose you hired a company to calibrate your gage weights that you make. The company is long term contracted to maintain the robotic scale and equipment at your site as opposed to theirs. They perform a MSA with the operators provided by your company to place the weights on a robotic fixture for loading and measuring with a cert printing out at the end of the line with the recorded values being networked to the manufacturer/contractor. The manufacturer contractor is up to date and accredited ISO/IEC 17025.

Now according to the external lab requirement of IATF, it appears that we only lack having to have the company update their certs with their name and the ISO/IEC 17025 accreditor logo. Do you agree?
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Old 14th February 2018, 07:08 PM
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No, I think it is different because the certificate is generated off contracted equipment, maintained and monitored by that contractor, from the equipment manufacturer and that contractor/manufacturer is ISO/IEC 17025 accredited.

In your example - Suppose you hired a company to calibrate your gage weights that you make. The company is long term contracted to maintain the robotic scale and equipment at your site as opposed to theirs. They perform a MSA with the operators provided by your company to place the weights on a robotic fixture for loading and measuring with a cert printing out at the end of the line with the recorded values being networked to the manufacturer/contractor. The manufacturer contractor is up to date and accredited ISO/IEC 17025.

Now according to the external lab requirement of IATF, it appears that we only lack having to have the company update their certs with their name and the ISO/IEC 17025 accreditor logo. Do you agree?
Sure. But I think your obstacles will be their cert and what it means to their accreditation to have off site certs generated. What do they say?
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Old 15th February 2018, 09:20 AM
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Sure. But I think your obstacles will be their cert and what it means to their accreditation to have off site certs generated. What do they say?
Well while their C of A does mention a satellite location, it doesn't mention ours. So that is the big hole they'd have to fix. I think corporate will have to decide if they want to spend or fight to get their accreditation updated, or throw in the towel and take over the whole shebang.

I think we have paid way too much to throw in the towel just yet. Perhaps the agency will cut them a break to add the one machine satellite location. Even $20k would be cheaper than shipping the wrenches out at this point. Maybe even cheaper would be to just pay for a recalibration to any company that complained..
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Old 15th February 2018, 05:24 PM
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By the way, anybody know what a ISO/IEC 17025 accreditation audit costs? Would $200 bucks cover it?
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