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Who has had a Transition Audit from TS 16949 to IATF 16949
Who has had a Transition Audit from TS 16949 to IATF 16949
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Old 13th February 2018, 01:11 PM
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Re: Who has had a Transition Audit from TS 16949 to IATF 16949

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We had our transition audit in November and it didn't go well at all. We've gone the last 3 years with TS with 1 minor NC found during the re-certification audit two years ago, zero NC last year. During the transition audit we were hit with 4 majors and 15 minors. We were able to overturn 2 on appeal but now it seems our auditor has taken offence to the appeal because getting the minors closed has been impossible with the constant requests for more evidence.

From what I'm hearing from others auditors, they are afraid to not write every little finding they have. We've switched from auditing the intent of the standard to the letter of the standard. Painful would be an understatement.
Yeah. They have really cracked the auditors recently. You have been running pretty good for several years, and then all of the sudden you "stink." It's a bunch of BS.

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Old 13th February 2018, 01:17 PM
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Our company sells just to automotive and we had our audit with 9 minors and no majors. We have one where we don't have an ethics escalation policy in our handbook. It was verbal open door policy for anything. Items like this when doing a root cause should be easy because the new standard requirement is different and we missed it or overlooked it.
But is this enough? On a fishbone, nothing but man or method can be used and the root cause is we overlooked it. The auditor wants good hard countermeasures because in the past they we not so good. This is not a product where I can dig into it, any ideas how to make it better or more robust ? Thanks for your help
This is where their corrective action requirements to fix non-conformances is silly -- every problem is a nail, so ever solution is a hammer. You either overlooked it or assumed your "open door" policy should cover it (which in my opinion, it should for smaller companies). Change some words, fix it and move on to more important things. But noooooo. You have to jump through all sorts of hoops to satisfy some auditor/CB. Value added for sure. Good luck.
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Old 16th February 2018, 12:10 PM
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Re: Who has had a Transition Audit from TS 16949 to IATF 16949

Had our transition audit to ISO & IATF, 6 man days. 3 minors, only one related to the new requirements. 7.5.1.1.d, linkage of CSRs to the QMS. We identified linkage to our QMS processes where requirements were addressed, but the expectation is that the linkage is more discreet, down to the relevant procedure. The clause does not state that level of detail.
Other than that, I'm satisfied with the results and appreciative of the information provided here for reference as well as the efforts put forth by our organization to accomplish this task.
Some info to share... Be prepared to show your traceability plan(s), including external providers. Process for deeming internal auditors competent, must start with a person that is deemed competent or another defined method. They really drilled for evidence of remote support. Looked for evidence of determining context, interested parties and risk assessment throughout the organization. Process for Special characteristics identified externally or internally with ties to product safety related products. Etc., etc...

I wish everyone luck with their transitions!
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