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Old 18th June 2013, 05:52 PM
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Hi all!

How about some feedback on this new training form for ISO 9001. Just let it soak in awhile and try it out, then tell me what is not good or you think is confusing, won't pass ISO, etc...

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Re: Training / Competency Assessment Record for review and feedback

In my view competency is either achieved or not. Having two levels of competency tells me the bar is not set high enough in the first place.

Competency is the demonstrated ability to carry out the required task in the required time, to the required quality in compliance to an approved safe work method. If they can do that they are competent, if they cant ther'e not.
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Old 18th June 2013, 07:10 PM
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Re: Training / Competency Assessment Record for review and feedback

Here is another way providing evidence of competency
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Old 18th June 2013, 07:28 PM
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In my view competency is either achieved or not. Having two levels of competency tells me the bar is not set high enough in the first place.

Competency is the demonstrated ability to carry out the required task in the required time, to the required quality in compliance to an approved safe work method. If they can do that they are competent, if they cant ther'e not.
Hmmm, didn't look at it that way but I see your point.

The 3 levels on this form are to show the progress of the amount of competency achieved. Is this not recommended? Just trying to simulate a progress bar...kinda like a progress bar when you download data, etc.
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Old 19th June 2013, 01:40 PM
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Re: Training / Competency Assessment Record for review and feedback

New post and revised form!

Alrighty, how about this form?? Will this work better for ISO 9001??
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Old 19th June 2013, 02:30 PM
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New post and revised form!

Alrighty, how about this form?? Will this work better for ISO 9001??
The only question I would have is "how or what was used to determine competency". In other words, what was used to do the training you have listed as training methods.

For example, an inspector is trained to use a CMM by going to a CMM class (external). The inspector is giving a 'has passed this training' form. Do you need to reference where or what the form document is called or where it is located?

I do not know the answer to this, but it is something that came to my mind as I was looking to use this myself.
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Old 19th June 2013, 02:38 PM
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Re: Training / Competency Assessment Record for review and feedback

only need to state:
Training column: external source - certificate issued
Competency column: enter Yes, etc.

ISO does not require you to state how or what was used to determine competency. It only asks you to assess it and make a determination of competent or not.
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Re: Training / Competency Assessment Record for review and feedback

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New post and revised form!

Alrighty, how about this form?? Will this work better for ISO 9001??
I think it is OK, but can I suggest changing "Supervisor Evaluation: Training / Competency Achieved?" to read:

"Supervisor Evaluation: Actions Taken Effective?"

The reason I say this is that certain records, such as those for training, are not "statements of competency" in themselves. You could document that someone is competent on paper all day long, but competency is an ongoing process, one that theoretically continues as long as a person is active in their duties. It would be kind of misleading the way you have it written down.

Several things can rob someone of their competency even after they have been trained/qualified, such as:
  • Poor performance
  • Loss of ability
  • A significant change in process has occurred
  • A considerable amount of time has passed which leads to one of the three above items
Records of competency will then eventually be outdated, through these factors described above. On a related note, methods of evaluating actions taken (such as training) to achieve competency would include:
  • Direct observation of work
  • Review of metrics and customer complaints
  • Review of audit results
  • Performance evaluations
Just some stuff to think about....

Brian
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