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Old 8th September 2001, 11:11 PM
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Caution The Elsmar Cove Site and Forums 'Breakdown' & Options - PLEASE READ!

NOTE: This thread is from several years ago. It has been updated to reflect changes to October 2008

I was able to import all the threads from the old UltimateBB 'system' into this new software, but not the oldest forums - The first forum software was WebBBS. The UltimateBB forums, although technically turned off - still exist. I did not delete them because there are so many outside links to threads in it. So - the old Ultimate BB Forum threads do still exist, but they are static pages. In addition, as you look through these forums, you will see that many threads have a 0 in the column that indicates how many times a thread was read. These are the oldest threads imported from the old software. The old software did not count how many times a thread was read so this software had no information to import to be able to determine how many times a thread had been read. The 'thread views' counter started for every thread on the day the new software came online.

This little bit of history is to help you understand how all this came about. And what is happening. The Cove is a site I set up almost 6 years ago (EDIT: Now, August 2012, over 15 years ago) to help people and, until December 2003, almost everything was free and there was no advertising. I started selling Guide file sets in February 2001 and started the Members and Premium Access in September 2001 essentially because business was down that year and it costs me several thousand bucks a year to keep this site online. And that doesn't include the hours I have to put into maintaining the site every day of the year.

As I'm sure you've noticed by now, this is not the 'typical' company site. I am the company. You might want to look at the Elsmar Cove as an alternative site. This is to say, there is a lot of independence here. And a lot of history, if you look for it. We've had some fights, political 'discussions' and - well, this isn't 'your father's forums'.

If you are new, Welcome! I hope your questions are answered and I hope you will participate - that you will help others when you 'know the answer'. In the end, we're all students.

I do hope this new vBulletin 'Forum' software, once you get used to it, will help you in your search for facts and knowledge. The Elsmar Cove has come a long way in the last 6 years online (EDIT: Now, in 2014, over 18 years online) - and the Elsmar Cove continues to evolve. With your participation and help, we'll be here 10 years from now if we all help each other!

Welcome to the Elsmar Cove!!! Since January 1996, A Refuge from the Storm!

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Old 27th July 2003, 09:47 PM
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Caution The Elsmar Cove Site and Forums Options - PLEASE READ!

Breakdown of the Elsmar Cove Web Site

Site History:

This site was originally called the Cayman Cove. The site went live on on the internet on 5 January 1996. Quite a bit has changed since then - over 10 years have passed. The Forums are now the main aspect of the site. However, there is still a lot of information in those old site pages. They continue to provide a historical view of what has happened with respect to the standards and such over the years.

The Elsmar Cove Forums

The first forums went online around May 1997 if I remember correctly. The original forums ran on Darryl Burgdorf's WebBBS - a set of perl scripts.

As much as I would like the forums to be entirely free (including free of advertising) as they were in years past, as we all know much has changed on the internet over the last 8 years and where the economy is now. Back around March 2003 I changed the policy of free downloading of attachments. The bandwidth was just too high. Many people would come and contribute nothing, not even a post to help someone with a question they could answer, grab what they could and not return. On 24 January 2004, restrictions on access to attachments in all forums except the "Contribution Access and Guide File Sets" forum were lifted. Since starting advertising with Google's AdSense in late December 2003, advertising revenue has been sufficient for me to lift the March 2003 restrictions on Post Attachments in all forums.

To entice folks to share, the site is currently set up as follows:

Browsing Forums Without Registering - Free
  • You may browse and search all the public forums.
  • If your intent is to simply scan/search for information, there is no advantage to registering.
  • Personal Messaging, Starting New Discussion Threads (to ask questions, for example) and Replying in existing Discussion Threads and several other forum functions are Disabled for security reasons.
  • To download post attachments in the 'business' forums one must first Register, which is Free.
  • To download post attachments in the "Contribution Access and Guide File Sets" forum, one must first Register and also contribute towards site maintenance and bandwidth costs through a Contribution.
Basic Forums Registration - Free - Basic Forums Registration allows one to:
  • a. Start New Threads in forums with New Questions, and to
    b. Reply to posts others make in threads.
    c. This also opens up Personal Messaging,
    d. Expanded Calendar functions,
    e. Activate 'Subscriptions' to threads and forums and other software controls and features such as E-Mail notification of New Posts to threads and/or New Posts / threads in specific forums which you choose.
  • Registering does require a VALID e-mail address. This is the only control I have to keep 'troublemakers' and forum spammers out. However, your e-mail address remains hidden from other users, 'bots' and e-mail harvesting site scans. I do not sell, give away or otherwise reveal anyone's e-mail address. Nor do I send unsolicited e-mails such as offers or advertisements.
  • No time limit (accounts do not expire).
NOTE: Definition of Forum Member (Registered Visitor)

'Forum' scripts used to be relatively basic and the term 'Member' is a hangover from the past when if one 'Registered', one was typically defined as a 'Member'. The folks who wrote this set of php scripts use it liberally. The forum software is saturated with references to forum members. Unfortunately this terminology conflicts with 'Member' access to a restricted directory of editable files. When one registers in the forums, technically one can say s/he is a Forum 'Member' but that is not related to the 'Member' restricted access directory. I apologise for the confusion. It was BAD planning on my end when I set those directories up. I did not accurately forcast the future. I'm looking at ways to resolve this conflict of terms. I have changed the terminology within the forums software to reflect that when you Register, you are technically in a user group named 'Registered Visitors' so you are a Registered Visitor, as opposed to being a 'Member'. Semantics.

NOTE: Definition of Subscription

There are 2 types of 'Subscriptions'.

In each forum there is a link to 'Subscribe' to that forum. There is also a link in each thread allowing one to 'Subscribe' to that thread. In this context, 'Subscribe' means to receive notification of posts to that forum or thread by e-mail. This is part of the standard system, is free, it is not time restricted and is not related to $ Contribution (Subscription) Access (see below - DO NOT CONFUSE THIS WITH $ Contributions Access to "$ Contribution Access and Guide File Sets" Forum Post Attachments). If you 'subscribe' to a thread or a forum you can ask the software to send you an e-mail notification whenever someone posts to that thread or forum either a) immediately, or b) in a Daily Digest or c) in a Weekly Digest.

2017 - FREE 'Members' Directory Access

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Don't hesitate to E-Mail us if you have any questions.

Last edited by John P; 22nd March 2017 at 10:54 PM. Reason: Updated March 2017 - Everything is now free!
Thank You to Marc for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 7th April 2004, 02:15 AM

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I've been registered for just one month now. Connecting to the site is the first thing I do every morning.This is an excellent site, informative, helpful experts and above all it is a meeting place for persons that are continiouslly wanting to improve themselves and their company's commitment to be the best. Well done Marc and to all at The Elsmar Cove.
Thanks to sal881vw for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 7th April 2004, 03:07 AM
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In Reply to Parent Post by sal881vw

Well done Marc and to all at The Elsmar Cove.
You said it... I'm hardly new around here, but I'm still amazed by the sheer magnitude of the information exchange. To top that off I have also made lots of friends in the Cove. It's still second to none...

Thanks to Claes Gefvenberg for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 7th April 2004, 03:33 AM
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As I have stated in numerous threads over the past year that I have been a contributor(?) this is the best service on the web. The professionalism ,friendliness and willingness of everyone to contribute always astounds me. No matter what country or background you come from you can always shelter from the storm - in the cove. I always feel welcome and the responses are constructive, honest and realtime (given that I live in Australia). To Marc and all thankyou

PS. Marc - what do the colour codes for our login names signify? (I think I am red)

Thanks to Greg B for your informative Post and/or Attachment!
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Old 7th April 2004, 03:51 AM
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I Say... User Group Name Colours and Brief HTML Colour Intro

Login names are colored by user group. These are set in the software 'preferences'. I can't remember any particular reason why I used the colours I did when I set this aspect of the software up. They can be easily changed.

See: User Group Name Colors and Brief HTML Color Intro

You are in the Contributor's user group ([COLOR=Navy]you have financially contributed, which I very much appreciate[/COLOR]) and on my computer it renders as an orange-gold. Technically Contributors names are [B][COLOR="Orange"]This color - FF6600[/color][/B]

[COLOR="Red"]Registered but Awaiting their Email Confirmation[/COLOR] - #CC0000
[COLOR="Sienna"]Registered[/COLOR] - #663300
Involved - [I][COLOR="Navy"]Post Access[/COLOR][/I] - #330099
[I][COLOR="Navy"]Courtesy Access[/COLOR][/I] - #006600
[B][COLOR="Orange"]Contributors[/COLOR][/B] - FF6600

NOTE: Some Moderators are Contributors so if you see someone you know is a Moderator and is the Contributor color, it's because the Contributor colour is over-riding the Moderator 'user class' as far as the name colour goes.

[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]Moderators[/COLOR][/B] - #006600
[B][I][COLOR="DarkRed"]Super Moderators[/COLOR][/I][/B] - #660000
[B][I][COLOR="DarkRed"]Administrators[/COLOR][/I][/B] - #990000

Those are the majors.

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Old 2nd March 2006, 11:07 PM
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Thread updated - html removed and replaced with bbcode. I had forgotten I had turned html rendering off in all forums some time back.

BTW - If you come across a thread with html in it, please let me know and I'll strip it and correctly format the page.
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Old 26th February 2007, 03:23 PM
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Re: The Elsmar Cove Site and Forums 'Breakdown' & Options - PLEASE READ!

Thanks Marc for clearing up alot of questions I had. Also, thanks for your time and patience with all who visit this forum.

Thanks to dmp06 for your informative Post and/or Attachment!

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