Condition of Item Calibrated - ISO 17025 Clause 5.10.2f - Calibration Certificate

howste

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I'm looking at ISO 17025 clause 5.10.2f, which states that the calibration certificate must include "...the condition of... the item(s) tested or calibrated..."

My question is this: are the "as found" readings sufficient to meet this requirement, or is it requiring something more? If it's something more, then what should it be - what's the intent?
 
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JAltmann

Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

I have always listed it as a seperate item, ie new, good, fair, damaged, etc.

Seems most of my cert.'s (external) and even my gage tracking software have a spot for this.
 

howste

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Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

Thanks for the response, James. Do you work for an accredited lab?

I'm looking for a response for a calibration lab that will be accredited in the future to ISO 17025, and they want to know the interpretation of the requirement for mandatory minimum content.
 
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JAltmann

Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

Formerly i was the quality manager of an accredited lab. Has been a few years so the standard is not as familiar to me off the top of my head anymore.

Currently among other duties i oversee the calibrations for 16949 company. I'll have to take a look at the 17025 standard to know for sure. But am thinking a few others on here will know for sure.
 
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sokolasty

Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

Hi

I work in ISO TS company in Poland and I see on some calibration certificates from Polish or German labs, that equipment condition is new or poor or fine etc. I did not see any certificate with more detailed description.
 

Stijloor

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Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

Hi

I work in ISO TS company in Poland and I see on some calibration certificates from Polish or German labs, that equipment condition is new or poor or fine etc. I did not see any certificate with more detailed description.

When your organization sends out devices to be calibrated, you need to specify in what format and level of detail you want the calibration reports to be produced and submitted. Your purchase order should specify all that. If you don't, you get the bare minimum.

Stijloor.
 

BradM

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Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

When your organization sends out devices to be calibrated, you need to specify in what format and level of detail you want the calibration reports to be produced and submitted. Your purchase order should specify all that. If you don't, you get the bare minimum.

Stijloor.

That's correct. Too, this is in the 17025, so those requirements would be present for the lab that is accredited to that specification.

If the lab is not accredited, you can end up with a very wide degree of variation in how they prepare the calibration certificate.
 

Hershal

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Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

As an assesor if I see as found/as left and do NOT see uncertatinty, that is a serious non-conformity.....

It tells me the laboratory has not done ANY homework.....

Hope this helps
 

Hershal

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Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

There have been resolution of issues with respect to a range of issues.....let us rebound back to this baseline as an example.....

There is still a range of issues that include a range of perspectives.....
 

howste

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Re: ISO 17025 Calibration Certificate - Condition of Item Calibrated

There have been resolution of issues with respect to a range of issues.....let us rebound back to this baseline as an example.....

There is still a range of issues that include a range of perspectives.....
Are you saying that there is no generally accepted answer? As an assessor, would you accept as-found readings on the certificate acceptable to address the requirement for the condition of the item calibrated? What would you consider to be best practice?

By the way, this company calibrates scales.
 
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