Re: Controlling Documents: Beyond the standard, how do we truly define what to contro
This has probably been visited before but I have been unable to find what I am looking for. As a company we are struggling to define what should and should not be controlled. ISO 9001 and Auditors always begin telling us that it is our choice but as we are audited it seems as everything becomes controlled. In our current situation it has gotten out of hand. Not EVERY document needs or should be controlled. It is affecting how well we can do our job and is making people cringe whenever they do anything on paper. I would like this discussion to be a positive influence on how, as a company, we can define what NEEDS to be controlled. I understand the standard places certain regulations but I also understand the each Auditor is different. For this reason I believe with a well formulated plan we will be able to win the approval of our Auditor. Any and all feedback is appreciated. Please help us and yourselves make your company better and more efficient.
Apart from the mandatory documents that the standard demands, all your other procedures that are documented (and controlled) depends upon you all in the organization and the maturity about the QMS that you all manage.
Before your thought about certification to ISO9001, all of you within your organization must be certainly working to a set system, and each of you understand the 5W+1H of every task. The QMS only gets it more visibility across the organization and builds a good web of process approach considering the process and interactions that happens within your organization to meet the customers requirement.
If everyone of you have the same 5W+1H understanding of what happens in your work process, your documents (and controls of them) will be fairly less. If in this process, you wish to build more clarity, more strength, consistancy, take away personnel dependency., then you get those procedures documented and controlled which helps you to achieve this goal of yours. There is no super auditor who can walk in and tell you what documents you need to control, however a very sensible auditor when he audits can show you what is lacking and so what is a NC, which can help you better in deciding what more needs to be documented and controlled (or existing document to be controlled)
This is where the internal audits plays a vital part for you in the QMS. You perhaps will never internal audit if you never seek certification.
If you do a 5W+1H analysis of every process seriously, and determine there is sufficient strength in that process and changes in that process have good internal communication, then perhaps your documentation of that process (and control thereoff) is not required within your QMS.
Now you can perhaps take a fresh look at controlling documents beyond the standard...
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