IATF Rules for sharing production space with another company

[TJ]

Where can I find the IATF or ISO rules for sharing production space with another company?

Our sister company is moving into our building. We will share the production floor and office space. We also will have some shared resources. They have ISO certification and we have ISO and IATF.

I need to know if this is an issue with our IATF certification and what we have to do so we are following the guidelines. I cannot find anything in the standard or the rules. I was told during our audit last week that I need to look at the standard because there are rules that will make us have barriers with doors that separate our space. Any help is appreciated.

 

[Johnny Quality]

I was told during our audit last week that I need to look at the standard because there are rules that will make us have barriers with doors that separate our space.

TJ,

That's not because of COVID related rules, is it?

I can't see anything in the standard that requires barriers with doors to separate space. You wouldn't physically separate with barriers and doors an automotive production area and a non-automotive area if you didn't need to - the standard mentions nothing of the sort.

Who did your audit? Is it a customer requirement?

 

[TJ]

TJ,

That's not because of COVID related rules, is it?

I can't see anything in the standard that requires barriers with doors to separate space. You wouldn't physically separate with barriers and doors an automotive production area and a non-automotive area if you didn't need to - the standard mentions nothing of the sort.

Who did your audit? Is it a customer requirement?

No it is not because of Covid and I don't believe he was referring to a CSR. He said "the standard" and also said it was very specific on the rules and "it had to be a permanent barrier with a door". He just told me to look into it but didn't direct me where.

 

[Johnny Quality]

To me it sounds like this auditor is speaking cobblers...

I had a customer audit a few years ago and they told me that IATF 16949 has a requirement for quarantined parts to be in a "lockable container". Cobblers.

The standard isn't written like that anyway, the clauses for the most part say what shall be done not how it shall be done. The only clause that comes to mind that contradicts this is the clause on internal auditors where a "list" is required.

 

[TJ]

I had a customer audit a few years ago and they told me that IATF 16949 has a requirement for quarantined parts to be in a "lockable container". Cobblers.

Now that is definitely a CSR. It is part of the BIQS audit for General Motors "Scrap or Suspect parts/containers clearly segregated from other parts. Auto Reject stations with Locked reject bins, with controls on how bins are emptied to ensure all parts are reconciled"

 

[Johnny Quality]

Ahh...how I learn something new every day. Shame the part was for JLR and the customer in question has no CSR's. Looking back I don't think they even did GM work...

It's not a requirement of VDA 6.3 is it?

 

[TJ]

Ahh...how I learn something new every day. Shame the part was for JLR and the customer in question has no CSR's. Looking back I don't think they even did GM work...

It's not a requirement of VDA 6.3 is it?

I am not sure. I haven't had to look at VDA for a few years.

 

[Greg19]

Where can I find the IATF or ISO rules for sharing production space with another company?

Our sister company is moving into our building. We will share the production floor and office space. We also will have some shared resources. They have ISO certification and we have ISO and IATF.

I need to know if this is an issue with our IATF certification and what we have to do so we are following the guidelines. I cannot find anything in the standard or the rules. I was told during our audit last week that I need to look at the standard because there are rules that will make us have barriers with doors that separate our space. Any help is appreciated.

Hi,

I think he probably refers to what IATF calls Gated Conditions or ring fencing which are in the Rules. If you lets say have both automotive and none automotive production and employees are not rotating between non-automotive and automotive ant there are physical walls between automotive and none automotive you can claim that only automotive-employees shall be included in the man day-calculation.

So if there are physical walls between you and your sister company and production employees are not mixed you will be fine.
However you should inform your CB and see if you should apply for gated condition.

 

[Johnny Quality]

TJ,

Greg is right, I've been mistaken.

We're having our IATF 16949 audit and this ruling is in the Rules 5th Edition, apologies.

 

[ctmis.liana]

Hi all,

I think TJ's company condition is similar with our company.
We are sharing our production floor and some of the manpower especially the office staffs.
Our sister company has ISO 9001 while we are IATF certified.
At the same time, our sister company is our supplier also.

So far, during CB audit, auditors never highlighted about the gated conditions or fencing rules but one of them ever told us that it was a risk to her when auditing us. At that time, she was auditing RECEIVING process at Store and she was worried as our Store are sharing together with Receiving and Outgoing store and some more sharing with these 2 companies.

We also do not aware of the IATF Rules as per mentioned by Greg and Johnny and probably it is wise to start go through this issue before CB issues NC to us. Thanks for the input everyone.