IATF Requirements if remote plant has no interface with OEMs who are part of IATF?

[dave.d]

If an automotive manufacturing organization utilizes a plant which does not interface in any way with OEMs who are part of IATF, is it a requirement for this site to be IATF accredited, listed on IATF certificates or part of IATF audits?

I feel like this should be an easy question to answer but I'm unsure which clause to point to if asked.

 

[Ron Rompen]

The requirement for the RSL to be IATF/ISO/VDA would be in your Customer Specific Requirements. We are a RSL for our sister plant which is IATF, we are only ISO 9001 and this has never been questioned by either our/their auditors, or by their customers.

 

[John C. Abnet]

Good day @dave.d ;
Please help me/us understand correctly. Are you saying...
- the organization is IATF 16949 certified
- has an "isolated" facility, which manufactures for the automotive but the isolated facility's customers are NOT IATF members.

Is this understanding correct?

Also...
- is the "isolated" facility currently part of the certification scope?
- Is the organization certified under a corporate scheme ? (i.e. does the organization have multiple manufacturing sites, but all are governed centerally under a common QMS and listed under a single certification?

 

[Sebastian]

Ron RSL or EMS?
Let's continue further discussion in "Spy hard" way.

Certification rules have three certifications schemes - single site, corporate and single site with Extended Manufacturing Site.
There is a checklist to verify whether site is eligible to be covered by EMS scheme.
You are probably interested in this scheme.
Please check "rules", at the end there was Annex 4 if I am right.

Short answer - yes, all sites have to be listed on certificate.

 

[AMIT BALLAL]

If an automotive manufacturing organization utilizes a plant which does not interface in any way with OEMs who are part of IATF, is it a requirement for this site to be IATF accredited, listed on IATF certificates or part of IATF audits?

I feel like this should be an easy question to answer but I'm unsure which clause to point to if asked.

Is this plant a site (does automotive manufacturing) or providing support (such as design, marketing, service, etc.)?

If it is a site, you can show it as a supplier. In such a case whether it should be ISO9001 certified or IATF16949 certified is up to you. However, later on you'll need to show that plant's progression towards IATF16949 certification as per clause "supplier QMS development".

And if the plant is providing support, it needs to be shown as remote location (remote support). In such a case, this plant will be included in the certificate(2nd page). Such remote locations are audited to audit the support provided to the site (your plant).

 

[dave.d]

Good day @dave.d ;
Please help me/us understand correctly. Are you saying...
- the organization is IATF 16949 certified
- has an "isolated" facility, which manufactures for the automotive but the isolated facility's customers are NOT IATF members.

Is this understanding correct?

Also...
- is the "isolated" facility currently part of the certification scope?
- Is the organization certified under a corporate scheme ? (i.e. does the organization have multiple manufacturing sites, but all are governed centerally under a common QMS and listed under a single certification?

Yes, the organization is IATF 16949 certified with two existing extended sites and five remote locations. Yes, an "isolated" facility with manufacturing for automotive customers which are NOT IATF members is being considered.

The "isolated" facility is not part of the certification scope. The organization does have multiple manufacturing sites (the extended sites) governed by one QMS, all on one IATF 16949 certification.

I will need to check Annex 4 rules per Sebestian's message for clarity on if it is a corporate scheme. If only the last scheme he listed can contain extended sites then it is that.

 

[John C. Abnet]

Yes, the organization is IATF 16949 certified with two existing extended sites and five remote locations. Yes, an "isolated" facility with manufacturing for automotive customers which are NOT IATF members is being considered.

The "isolated" facility is not part of the certification scope. The organization does have multiple manufacturing sites (the extended sites) governed by one QMS, all on one IATF 16949 certification.

I will need to check Annex 4 rules per Sebestian's message for clarity on if it is a corporate scheme. If only the last scheme he listed can contain extended sites then it is that.

@Sebastian is spot on about rules 5th edition Annex 4. There are copyrights in play, so for that reason I am only attaching portions of that Annex.

Think of an extended site as it is oft described, as an "extended workbench", wherein, a SINGLE mfg site runs out of room and adds a (usually "nearby") building to add some needed mfg space, with no support functions in that extended site. Many CB,s actually have their own distance requirements for this facility.

So,

A- if you WANT this facility to be included in the scope of your IATF corporate certification, it simply needs to be added to the scope and your CB will audit accordingly. Speak with your CB to determine the best timing to do this. Even though the OEM,s are not IATF members, the site is eligible (based on your description) and will be held accountable to all things IATF just like your other sites.

B- If you do NOT want this facility to be include in the scope of your IATF corporate certification, go out with the responsible parties and have a
beer.

Hope this helps.

Be well.