1st Articles / Initial Sample Submissions - Requirements for submitting PPAPs



My background is QS-9000 but I now work for a company that is strictly ISO-9000 (custom plastic vacuum thermoforming). I am use to submitting PPAP's and the requirements for what, when and how to submit one. ISO-9000 does not have a section that addresses inital sample submissions; however, some of my customers require them. I have not been able to find nformation concerning 1st articles and how to address them in my procedures. If I use the AIAG requirements for all products some of my customers are overwhelmed by the process. Some of my orders are just not big enough for a 1st article submission. Any advice?
Elsmar Forum Sponsor

Kevin Mader

One of THE Original Covers!
Staff member
What are your Customers expecting?

You may find that everyone has different expectations, so you may have to create many different submission plans. As you accumulate the information, you will probably pick out some of the typical items. With these, you may want to consider adding them to your ISO Quality Program. ISO is a far more vague guideline than you are use to, so the QP you have inherited may not be as specific as you would like/expect.




Fully vaccinated are you?
Staff member
And the bottom line is ISO does not address 1st article. Thus, as Don pointed out--> you rely on customer requirements. With several clients we have made up a spreadsheet. Reading down was a list of process elements - design review, etc., to machine runoff (high volume) or whatever right on to final inspection and test. In my first ISO implementation years ago I did this with the ISO requirements, BWM, FORD, etc. We ended up with a list of ISO and customer requirements.

You could do this with the APQP skeleton in mind. Customer A may just want a full layout to print. Customer B may just want a functional test. Customer C may want both of those and maybe capability studies from a runoff.

What the customer asks for should be considered during contract review. If the customer wants 15 widgets and wants runoff data from a 300 piece run (sounds insane, but you never know), you would want to negotiate exact terms and conditions and quote appropriately.


Great post,,,,Thanks for this very helpful and innovative information in this site,,, i really appreciate......
Keep it up.....:applause::applause:


Quite Involved in Discussions
In my experience at a Machine shop job shop was that every customer was different.

The most common requirements though were a complete layout, bubbled print, chemical/physical certs and a sample.

You may want to determine what you want to do and when you approach the customer make your suggestions. They will tell you what more they might want you to do.


Trusted Information Resource
*** Old thread alert ***

Just a heads-up to readers of this thread that the original post was made over 11 years ago. I hope that by now the OP has figured out how to handle their situation. It's still OK to post relevant information for others though. :cool:
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
C AIAG-VDA PFMEA - 1st special Characteristics? [5step vs. 6step] FMEA and Control Plans 3
T Sample of 1st Article Inspection Report wanted APQP and PPAP 3
K China UDI Implementation for October 1st 2019 China Medical Device Regulations 4
J AS9100D Sections related to 1st Piece and In-Process Inspection Manufacturing and Related Processes 15
V Handling decomissioned line/equipment during 1st time product-based inspection US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 1
A 1st Time Purchase of Aluminum Extrusion - First Article? Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 3
Q Effective 1st Piece Inspection Sign Off Procedure Quality Manager and Management Related Issues 8
S 1st AHWP-RAPS Joint Conference @ KL, Malaysia 2-3 Dec 2013 Other Medical Device Regulations World-Wide 2
A Publication Dates of MSA Manuals (1st & 2nd Ed.) Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 4
D QMS 1st Cycle - Indicators and Data ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 18
N 1st Shift vs. 2nd Shift Production Crews - How to end this war? Career and Occupation Discussions 15
W Is there an IEC 60601 3rd Edition 1st Amendment? IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 3
Q Using Traceable Standards - AIAG MSA Manual Chapter II, Section B, 1st bullet Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 4
M Class I Medical Device - 1st notification and change notification EU Medical Device Regulations 4
K Raw Materials from 3rd World Countries vs. Finished Products from 1st World Countries Philosophy, Gurus, Innovation and Evolution 23
somashekar Medical Device Regulation - Singapore - 1st May 2010 Other Medical Device Regulations World-Wide 4
N What is a ?Reasonable? failure rate for an electronic device in the 1st year? Quality Tools, Improvement and Analysis 7
J FAA Training suggestions wanted for Sept 1st week Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Standards and Requirements 5
N Nonconforming Product - 1st Piece Rejection Nonconformance and Corrective Action 3
G APQP 1st edition VS APQP 2nd edition - what are the main changes APQP and PPAP 2
CarolX Blueprint numbering for 1st Article submission Misc. Quality Assurance and Business Systems Related Topics 13
C Passed the CQE (Certified Quality Engineer) exam 1st time Professional Certifications and Degrees 23
C 1st Gage R&R Results help Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 48
J Final Inspection - 1st Article Dimensions before Anodize and Passivation Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 4
P Digital Camera 1st DSLR Coffee Break and Water Cooler Discussions 10
ScottK ISO9001 - 1st Surveillance less than 6 months after registration ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 8
R AIAG's FMEA Manual 4th Edition pushed back to 1st quarter 2008 FMEA and Control Plans 16
CarolX Definition 1st, 2nd and 3rd Party Audits - Definition Definitions, Acronyms, Abbreviations and Interpretations Listed Alphabetically 29
M Our 1st surveillance audit is coming soon - Any new input..or requirment..? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 6
SteelMaiden FDA approves 1st drug for obese dogs World News 6
P 1st Article Part - Recording All Dimensions vs. Critical Dimensions - AS9100B AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 24
B Should 1st Piece Process be a Control or a Line Item in the Control Plan FMEA and Control Plans 10
Marc Ford Has $1.19 Bln 1st-Qtr Loss on Job-Cutting Costs World News 15
J The AIAG's SPC manual 1st Edition and 2nd Edition - Differences? Statistical Analysis Tools, Techniques and SPC 2
Jeff Putman Meeting the 3rd Party Lead Auditor Prior to the 1st Audit IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 4
Howard Atkins Errata for the AIAG's MSA Third Edition; 1st and 2nd printings Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 6
D What does 1st piece (1st Article) mean to a lay person like myself? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 12
A AIAG's SPC manual 2nd edition vs. 1st edition - Has it changed? Statistical Analysis Tools, Techniques and SPC 6
S Gmail invite - 1st asked - 1st served... After Work and Weekend Discussion Topics 5
C Consequences of Missing the Chrysler July 1st TS 16949 Deadline IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 31
S Successful 1st Gage R&R Study...but Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 15
M 1st day success! QS-9000 - American Automotive Manufacturers Standard 5
D 1st Internal Audit & Training Internal Auditing 8
T Using Review articles from Pubmed for CER CE Marking (Conformité Européene) / CB Scheme 8
K Things to learn during lockdown.... Safety-related books/articles/threads Book, Video, Blog and Web Site Reviews and Recommendations 1
DuncanGibbons FAA approval of articles (PMA, TSO) AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 16
TheMightyWife Copyright for articles used in CER (Clinical Evaluation Report) EU Medical Device Regulations 16
B Looking for Lean Manufacturing Articles in Spanish Lean in Manufacturing and Service Industries 4
N MDD Class I Medical Device Self Declaration Articles/Supplementary Documents EU Medical Device Regulations 1
G First Articles - Design only? Our product is Drawings AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3

Similar threads

Top Bottom