2009 Aerospace Auditor Workshop AAQG/RMC - July 30 and 31st, 2009

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Hello Sydney

If you find such good workshop for Asia, please post.This one is really good.

Joydeb
 
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Thanks Sydney for this.It is really helpful for us who could not attend the meet.

Hope ,we will get the same after IAQG Munich summit.Specially,about the start of approved training and start of certification to AS9100C.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Don't mention it...:tg:

Yes, these aerospace workshops are great. The biggest challenges are:

1. to convey the message to the hundreds of aerospace auditors who don't attend such meetings, thus this material being made available via the AAQG website, and
2. to ensure that auditors follow directions. One thing is to tell an auditor not to softgrade. It is another thing for them to follow the order. Auditing is, for the most part, done very interdependently and some auditors are not good at following directions.
 
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Jeff Frost

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Sidney,

Thank you as always for the useful information.

I do wish that IAQG would hurry up with the AS9100C Clarifications (IAQG speak). I am currently working for an employer who would like to deploy an AS9100C AQMS (or as close as I can get it) that is backward compatible to AS9100B for registration in December.
 

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I do wish that IAQG would hurry up with the AS9100C Clarifications (IAQG speak). I am currently working for an employer who would like to deploy an AS9100C AQMS (or as close as I can get it) that is backward compatible to AS9100B for registration in December.
Jeff, hopefully your employer has already contracted with a CB and scheduled the audit. Lead times for 9100 audits are getting longer.
 
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The biggest challenges are:


2. to ensure that auditors follow directions. One thing is to tell an auditor not to softgrade. It is another thing for them to follow the order. Auditing is, for the most part, done very interdependently and some auditors are not good at following directions.[/QUOTE]


Even after reminders by ABs and IAQG,the situation is not changing on soft grading.As long as there is a relationship of customer and supplier between auditee and CBs,there will remain a chance to satisfy customer by soft grading.Many organisations are interested in soft grading and auditors are satisfying their customers:).Of course,they forget the requirements of other customers-ABs and aerospace community.

Few years back there was a discussion in a forum of auditors here and a proposal came out.The proposal was-to have a central body in the country to whom all organisations interested for certification will submit their application.The AB can play this role.The central body will categorise the CBs on the basis of their resources and quality performance.There will be different rates for different categories of CBs and the applicant organisation have to mention the category of CB they are interested in the application.The central body will select two CBs by lottery,on the basis of accredited scope availability and inform the applicant to select one out of two.Some system can be considered to ensure balanced distribution of jobs amongst all CBs under one category.There should be provison of category upgradation and down gradation for CBs depending on their quality performance.

I know that this conceptual idea also have some flaws and such ideas cannot be implemented easily but there will be a time when all will think for a solution to stop soft grading.
 
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