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8.2.4.2 First Article Inspection - No customers require them (yet) - AS9100 Audit

waterdog

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Hi Everybody. My company is getting ready for our AS9100 Assesment, and one of the last things we need to address is First Articles. I am stuggling with this one because the way our shop is, we get new parts in almost every day, they are turned around in a day or two, and we might never see them again. We are a paint, powdercoat, and chemical conversion coating shop. Our work is only about 15% aerospace right now, the rest is military and commercial. My question is this: If we have a process in place for first articles, but none of our customers require them (yet), do they have to be done? I am sure future customers will require it, but right now it seems a little overwhelming. The standard says "The organizations system shall provide a process..." and we have a process, but we are not really using it yet. Can anyone help me?
 
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waterdog said:
Hi Everybody. My company is getting ready for our AS9100 Assesment, and one of the last things we need to address is First Articles. I am stuggling with this one because the way our shop is, we get new parts in almost every day, they are turned around in a day or two, and we might never see them again. We are a paint, powdercoat, and chemical conversion coating shop. Our work is only about 15% aerospace right now, the rest is military and commercial. My question is this: If we have a process in place for first articles, but none of our customers require them (yet), do they have to be done? I am sure future customers will require it, but right now it seems a little overwhelming. The standard says "The organizations system shall provide a process..." and we have a process, but we are not really using it yet. Can anyone help me?
State something to the effect, "When customer PO or contract specifies a FAI, we will perform them in accordance with FAI SOP".
 

waterdog

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Thanks Al, that is what I was hoping to hear. Our auditor is very reasonable and I think he would accept that. :)
 
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waterdog said:
Hi Everybody. My company is getting ready for our AS9100 Assesment, and one of the last things we need to address is First Articles. I am stuggling with this one because the way our shop is, we get new parts in almost every day, they are turned around in a day or two, and we might never see them again. We are a paint, powdercoat, and chemical conversion coating shop. Our work is only about 15% aerospace right now, the rest is military and commercial. My question is this: If we have a process in place for first articles, but none of our customers require them (yet), do they have to be done? I am sure future customers will require it, but right now it seems a little overwhelming. The standard says "The organizations system shall provide a process..." and we have a process, but we are not really using it yet. Can anyone help me?

Hi There,

Check with your customer's supplier quality document (manual if they supplied any), i believe its default that every supplier to aerospace shall have FAI's for all parts either its new or modification in any current part, it has resemblance with PPAP (Product Part Approval Process) in automotive.

Regards,

Syed
Canada Arm
 
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BadgerMan

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syedala said:
Hi There,

Check with your customer's supplier quality document (manual if they supplied any), i believe its default that every supplier to aerospace shall have FAI's for all parts either its new or modification in any current part, it has resemblance with PPAP (Product Part Approval Process) in automotive.

Regards,

Syed
Canada Arm
Sounds like you are referring to the AS9102 document which is a step in the general direction of PPAP. Compliance with AS9102 is mandatory only if the customer is flowing it down contractually. Otherwise the basic requirement of AS9100 section 8.2.4.2 applies, as stated above.
 
E

Ederie - 2007

#6
Question?

So what would be involved in a FAI for coating?
Thickness?
Adhesion?
Coverage?
Material Certification?
Chances are by the time the first piece dries or is complete / ready for shipment, the run is complete
 

Al Rosen

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Ederie said:
So what would be involved in a FAI for coating?
Thickness?
Adhesion?
Coverage?
Material Certification?
Chances are by the time the first piece dries or is complete / ready for shipment, the run is complete
Every item in the specification and every requirement of the customer. Doing the complete run is at your own risk.
 

waterdog

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To answer Edearie, Yes thickness and adhesion are usually key characteristics, it depends on the customer spec. They might also call out color, gloss, hardness, etc.
By the way, when I first posted this it was just before our big AS9100 assessment. We had our audit, have responded to the minor nonconformances (lack of FAIRs was not one of them), and have been recommended for certification! Thanks to everyone on the Cove, you have been a BIG help :D
 

rickpaul01

Involved in HankyPanky
#9
Syedala, I have been trying to post to your Jan 7th 2011 question. Hope you get this. I have not been using your suppliers logic. If there are no open CAR's, I mark the FAI as complete. Good Luck!
 
A

alspread

#10
I think there is a big misunderstanding out there concerning 1st articles and their intent.

First of all AS9102 is not required by AS9100. It may be imposed by your customer, but not by AS9100. More and more customers are requiring AS9102 1st articles from their suppliers.

Second, AS9100C requires the organization to have a process for and to perform "Production Process Verification". Using a representative item from a first production run, the organization is supposed to verify that the process, documentation, and tooling are capable of producing parts and assemblies that meet requirements. This is more than just inspecting a production part for compliance. A thorough first article has to include a complete evaluation of the documentation that was used to produce the part, the fixturing/tooling used, as well as raw material, etc.

A couple of important points here.

If your organization is such that you manufacture lots of prototypes or "one offs", then you never have to worry about first articles because you never develop a production run. You have to make sure that your parts are inspected to assure compliance and you never need to worry about verifying a production process, because you don't have one. Each part or small batch/lot is unique.

An AS9102 first article has a considerable amount of rigor associated with it and is not merely and inspection of the finished part to be sure it complies. A thorough AS9102 first article also requires a complete review of the process that produced the part to be sure it includes all of the requirements and, if changed, is re-evaluated for the change to be sure the change did not have a detrimental affect.

On a coating/plating process I would expect not only dimensional and visual requirements to be evaluated and reported, but I would also want to see and be assured that the process planning be used to produced this part had complete and adequate information for the process to be repeated. That the holding fixtures were identified and had any special requirements called out. That the proper masking was called for in the planning, if necessary, and that its application was specified. I might want to see or have the supplier assure me that they evaluated the raw material. Perhaps I would require a report on the periodic testing results, etc. You really want to roll over every rock in the process to make sure that every detail has been assured at least once.

In short, I would want to know that the part came out correct and that the process can be relied upon to continue to produce the same part.

Good luck
 
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