9001 and 9004 clause misalignment

#1
I did a lot of searching in this section and I'm surprised I can't find anything about this:
Why don't the clauses of 9004 follow 9001? You would think 9004 would mirror the standard.
Not only does 9001 have 10 and 9004 have 11, but several clauses are not even named the same thing.
 
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#3
I did a lot of searching in this section and I'm surprised I can't find anything about this:
Why don't the clauses of 9004 follow 9001? You would think 9004 would mirror the standard.

Not only does 9001 have 10 and 9004 have 11, but several clauses are not even named the same thing.
Where does it say that ISO 9004 is a guideline to ISO 9001?

That is the role of ISO 9002, but you may find discrepancies here too.

But we are looking at systems standards where understanding each part discretely doesn’t really help with understanding how the parts should interact as they do in a system.
 
#4
I should have done a little more research before posting. I got 9004 after getting advice from a consultant that it will help me drive sustaining success with 9001. Now I realize it was modeled after 9000, not 9001.
 

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I got 9004 after getting advice from a consultant
You check out his bona fides 1st? Some are really, really great (encountered one this week during a surveillance audit for 9-14-45) and others are a combination of shake 'n bake, buzz word bingo, while doing a Where's Waldo, Who's on 1st, slap-happy routine at the expense of others.
 
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