AIAG-VDA DFMEA 2019 - it is compulsory?

Maximics

Starting to get Involved
Hi all,

I am now a DFMEA Facilitator (kind of...as we haven't benefited from a formal FMEA facilitator training...) for an OEM, and I received the following questions that I don't have answers for:
- if you use AIAG FMEA Manual v4 (4th ed), shall we use the new AIAG-VDA FMEA Manual? Is there a compulsory requirement for transitioning to the new Manual? Based on what?
- is there a transition period? it is company specific?
- I don't think IATF 16949:2016 (I think this is the latest) is asking for specific FMEA reference, or is it?
- what is the link between the new AIAG-VDA FMEA Manual, IEC 60812:2018 and SAE J1739 : 2021? is there any of these compulsory, as an European OEM?

With many thanks and warmest regards,
Maxim
 

Enghabashy

Quite Involved in Discussions
if you a supplier of OEM , I see there's CSR issued , it should mentioned the FMEA requirements as part of management system , many of OEM could make supplier process audit which covering control plan & FMEA of their suppliers / automotive feeders , they also have criteria of Cpk & Ppk for their processes which specify PPM " i.e : DAIMLER , --etc. ", the VDA may be stated requirements of Germany OEM , therefore your meetings with OEM can closeout this investigations regarding the updating FMEA according the last issue of VDA FMEA ; you can also follow up of AIAG web publishing , the web is including the following : 1- the last edition manuals of FMEA , APQP, MSA, --etc. , --2- the last CSR of OEM also; otherwise you can issue follow up schedule to cover the last version of : 1- your company STDs , 2- manuals guidance " i.e: FMEA , VDA, MSA, ---etc. "
 

Enghabashy

Quite Involved in Discussions
you can refer also to appendix F:
*This VDA volume takes into account state of the art technology, current at the time of issue.

Implementation of VDA recommendations relieves no one of responsibility for their own actions.

In this respect, everyone acts at their own risk. The VDA and those involved in VDA

recommendations shall bear no liability.

*Highlights of the Change Points from the AIAG 4th Edition FMEA Manual and from the

VDA Volume 4 Manual are provided in Appendix F.
 

Maximics

Starting to get Involved
if you a supplier of OEM , I see there's CSR issued , it should mentioned the FMEA requirements as part of management system , many of OEM could make supplier process audit which covering control plan & FMEA of their suppliers / automotive feeders , they also have criteria of Cpk & Ppk for their processes which specify PPM " i.e : DAIMLER , --etc. ", the VDA may be stated requirements of Germany OEM , therefore your meetings with OEM can closeout this investigations regarding the updating FMEA according the last issue of VDA FMEA ; you can also follow up of AIAG web publishing , the web is including the following : 1- the last edition manuals of FMEA , APQP, MSA, --etc. , --2- the last CSR of OEM also; otherwise you can issue follow up schedule to cover the last version of : 1- your company STDs , 2- manuals guidance " i.e: FMEA , VDA, MSA, ---etc. "

Thanks, but I don't understand any of your sentences.
I have to apologize as I wasn't clear in my original query that I am interested in DFMEA only, not in PFMEA.
And the questions I have posted are coming from our internal DFMEA owners, not from external stakeholders.

I am turning to this community as my managers don't have the answers and frankly, I have to educate them about DFMEA and Requirements Management, so don't expect much from them...

Then, as I said, I am working for an OEM, I don't have to talk to other OEM's, maybe with our suppliers (some of them which are in fact OEMs as they develop some commodities for us entirely).

Again: is the new AIAG-VDA DFMEA compulsory? I interpret it as a guidance, a starting point, from which each OEM is developing integral processes regarding the technical risk management, DFMEA, PFMEA, etc. but is shall not be followed blindly - it can be adapted by each OEM as per their needs; the DFMEA process is auditable, but new AIAG-VDA Manual is not, right?


If my company does not follow IEC 60812:2018, nor SAE J1739 : 2021, then we cannot be audited for these, as they are not compulsory for fulfilling IATF 16949 (re)certification, right?
 

Enghabashy

Quite Involved in Discussions
Dear Sir/
you stated that you are OEM , you have to internally initiate DFMEA , therefore there's no external mandatory requirement ;you are not certified of IATF 16949 , you haven't any acceptance criteria from any external stakeholder also , hence the VDA FMEA manual is a guidance for your own design process , you could make your own criteria with your design team and to make DFMEA as part of your company Quality management system, it's should be mandatory also because it's part of Risk assessment requirements - ISO 9001 :23015 as well
 

John C. Abnet

Teacher, sensei, kennari
Leader
Super Moderator
As @AMIT BALLAL said.

The short answer is "no". There currently (as you are aware) two methodologies. 4th edition (not [yet] obsoleted). And the AIAG/VDA harmonized approach. The even the terms "old method" and "new method" are not accurate terms.

As was stated above...the only requirement to use one over the other would be dictated by your specific customer(s) or, if your organization issues a decree to use only one of those methodologies.

Hope this helps.
Be well.
 
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