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AIAG VDA FMEA Handbook - 2019 - something familiar about this....

Stevebod

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#21
...yep I am sure the "quality consultants" offering the training will be the ones who benefit most from the travesty of a "new standard".
I am sure the old standard could have been tweaked slightly to improve it while maintaining a degree of clarity that would allow "non FMEA" specialists to carry out FMEA's on their own processes. This new standard will just generate a breed of "FMEA specialists" that will be needed just to complete the form!

...I think some people obviously looked at the "old" standard and considered it "too simple", and thought they could show how clever they are by making it more complex for the sake of it...(and an opportunity to make some more money as "trainers), a bit like what happened to SPC in the early days.....
 

Stijloor

Staff member
Super Moderator
#22
...I think some people obviously looked at the "old" standard and considered it "too simple", and thought they could show how clever they are by making it more complex for the sake of it...(and an opportunity to make some more money as "trainers), a bit like what happened to SPC in the early days.....
Stevebod, let’s be positive! All change is difficult. If correctly applied, the AIAG-VDA handbook can add value. Also, read WHY the FMEA process was changed.

...yep I am sure the "quality consultants" offering the training will be the ones who benefit most from the travesty of a "new standard".
I am sure the old standard could have been tweaked slightly to improve it while maintaining a degree of clarity that would allow "non FMEA" specialists to carry out FMEA's on their own processes. This new standard will just generate a breed of "FMEA specialists" that will be needed just to complete the form!
Correction: Neither the AIAG FMEA 4th Ed. nor the AIAG-VDA FMEA 1st Ed. are “standards!” They are guidebooks that may be required to be used by customers in their applicable CSR’s.
 

GRP

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#24
Correction: Neither the AIAG FMEA 4th Ed. nor the AIAG-VDA FMEA 1st Ed. are “standards!” They are guidebooks that may be required to be used by customers in their applicable CSR’s.
Good one. The FMEA standard is SAE J1739. The AIAG 4ed manual is "aligned" with the SAE standard. The Ford FMEA handbook quotes SAE for all its definitions.
 

northbranch

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#25
"The AIAG released the new FMEA Manual June 3, 2019. The new FMEA includes VDA, AIAG and OEM guidelines for severity, occurrence and detection. There is also an additional requirement to communicate risks identified during the Failure Analysis process.

The expectation is that new projects started after July / August 2019 would implement the new FMEA requirements. "OUR" Auditors will verify implementation of these new projects during the next scheduled Audit."

I emailed AIAG about this.
AIAG "The FMEA fourth edition is still a current requirement. One does not replace the other yet, this will eventually happen but we are waiting for the information to be provided to AIAG."​
Me-"So until the new Handbook replaces FMEA fourth edition, is it up to customers which one we use? If not the customer, how do we determine which book to follow?"​
AIAG "Yes, that would be correct, your customers would let you know which FMEA you should be using."​
 
#26
I would be interested if anyone has found some (hopefully inexpensive) software.
I have obtained my new manual, and read through the Process FMEA section. I am guessing that Excel wont be much use? (And certainly not my old way of completing FMEA forms in Word).

I did have a guy fro a company called Datalyzer contact me offering their software, but im not sure if its the right thing.
 

UncleFester

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#27
"The AIAG released the new FMEA Manual June 3, 2019. The new FMEA includes VDA, AIAG and OEM guidelines for severity, occurrence and detection. There is also an additional requirement to communicate risks identified during the Failure Analysis process.

The expectation is that new projects started after July / August 2019 would implement the new FMEA requirements. "OUR" Auditors will verify implementation of these new projects during the next scheduled Audit."

I emailed AIAG about this.
AIAG "The FMEA fourth edition is still a current requirement. One does not replace the other yet, this will eventually happen but we are waiting for the information to be provided to AIAG."​
Me-"So until the new Handbook replaces FMEA fourth edition, is it up to customers which one we use? If not the customer, how do we determine which book to follow?"​
AIAG "Yes, that would be correct, your customers would let you know which FMEA you should be using."​
What software would you need? The manual gives examples in both Excel and 'software'. The excel forms are easy to develop so why not use them?
 

Jimmy123

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#28
I think this handbook was a compromise of several inexperienced FMEA Experts.Maybe not even a compromise, because have you use 4, 5 or 7M influences for the PFMEA? Shingo has got 5 and was a wise man. The evaluation tables generate a lot of discussions, because of the many categories and columns. Make FMEA simple and smart again, please. If we have to wait 10 years for the next release, I think no one will use FMEA in future. Bad advertisement, unfortunately.
 

Stijloor

Staff member
Super Moderator
#29
I think this handbook was a compromise of several inexperienced FMEA Experts.Maybe not even a compromise, because have you use 4, 5 or 7M influences for the PFMEA? Shingo has got 5 and was a wise man. The evaluation tables generate a lot of discussions, because of the many categories and columns. Make FMEA simple and smart again, please. If we have to wait 10 years for the next release, I think no one will use FMEA in future. Bad advertisement, unfortunately.
All change is difficult. This handbook is the work of German and American automotive FMEA experts. Many well-known OE's and Suppliers have been involved with this as well. It's here, and here to stay. Be prepared for the upcoming OE notifications that will require the use of this new Handbook through their CSRs. Questions? Folks here are ready to help.
 

Jimmy123

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#30
All change is difficult. This handbook is the work of German and American automotive FMEA experts. Many well-known OE's and Suppliers have been involved with this as well. It's here, and here to stay. Be prepared for the upcoming OE notifications that will require the use of this new Handbook through their CSRs. Questions? Folks here are ready to help.
No problem with changes, if they make something better or more clear.
 
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