AIAG-VDA FMEA - When the new format will be required

brandieb1230

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I have been trying to follow the updated communications through the IATF website but is there somewhere else I should be looking to see if and when this new format will be required?

I received an email from a training facility that stated "you might know, the Detroit automakers and Honda have announced their transition timing, and FCA is leading the way by requiring the new approach on all new program awards effective right now. The other automakers are following suit with implementation in 2020-2022".

I have not found this information anywhere regarding FCA. I emailed the training supplier back and it was returned undeliverable and my searches on here and the web have come up empty.

THanks for your help.
 
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John Predmore

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You should ask the supplier quality representative of your customer, not a training supplier, for details as it pertains to your business with FCA.
 

brandieb1230

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I emailed our contacts at all customers asking where I would find this information as well. I emailed the training supplier back asking where they found that information and posted on here to see if there was somewhere other than the IAOB website that I should be looking.
 

kbg1000

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FCA addresses this in their latest Customer Specific Requirements, which can be accessed at iatfglobaloversight.org. Their requirement is to keep using the AIAG 4th edition. They also allow use of the new AIAG-VDA FMEA Handbook, provided you use certain alternate forms.
See paragraphs 8.3.5 and 8.3.5.2 of their CSRs.
 

kbg1000

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By the way, the CSRs I referenced are for FCA US LLC. The ones for Fiat Italy SpA don't mention use of the new handbook yet.
 

brandieb1230

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KBG:
FCA addresses this in their latest Customer Specific Requirements, which can be accessed at iatfglobaloversight.org. Their requirement is to keep using the AIAG 4th edition. They also allow use of the new AIAG-VDA FMEA Handbook, provided you use certain alternate forms.
See paragraphs 8.3.5 and 8.3.5.2 of their CSRs.

Brandie: Thank you! That is what I was looking for. The email was an obvious scare tactic as it says you MAY but no where does it say you need to use them. I reviewed the revised version when it was released and it didn't leave a lasting impression so I was scared they may be publishing information in other places.

I appreciate your help!
 

anandqgp

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I have been trying to follow the updated communications through the IATF website but is there somewhere else I should be looking to see if and when this new format will be required?

I received an email from a training facility that stated "you might know, the Detroit automakers and Honda have announced their transition timing, and FCA is leading the way by requiring the new approach on all new program awards effective right now. The other automakers are following suit with implementation in 2020-2022".

I have not found this information anywhere regarding FCA. I emailed the training supplier back and it was returned undeliverable and my searches on here and the web have come up empty.

THanks for your help.

Hi brandieb. AIAG-VDA will slowly sink in across all Automotive world. It is taking time simply because the present 4th version, if implemented sincerely, is as good as the new one. The effort in new version is to get rid of the culture or practice of using RPN as cutoff value. You will see in the new version, the though SEVERITY, OCCURRENCE and DETECTION is retained in totality, RPN is not given importance. Rather the ratings appearing for SEVERITY, OCCURRENCE and DETECTION are taken into consideration for deciding which aspect to be given priority by declaring the actions as HIGH, MEDIUM or LOW in place of just RPM. So if the priority is declared as HIGH it means top priority for that action whether SEVERITY, OCCURRENCE or DLETECTION is low. We go by a combination of three values. Like SEVERITY may be low but if OCCURRENCE Is high, the resultant Action Priority (AP) automatically becomes high. We need to refer to tables provided in the new manual.
 
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