AIAG VDA PFMEA and Control Plan training

[Sonja D]

I am looking for a training class on PFMEA and C-plan connections. The AIAG manuals show how a PFMEA and a C-plan should look but they are on different products so it does not help me with connecting them together. Does anyone have recommendations on a good training class that I can take? My goal is to find a class that will work through the Process flow diagram, PFMEA, and the Control Plan for the same process step(s). Many examples I have seen will highlight a section for process step "20" on the PFMEA but show process step "40" on the Control plan. If someone has an example that they could share that would also be appreciated.

 

[optomist1]

Hi Sonja D, welcome to the best place to learn and share info...I recently completed FMEA and Control Plan training/refreshers courses via AIAG, they were excellent, I highly recommend them...They are not inexpensive but thorough and worth the effort.

Link - AIAG.org - Automotive Industry Action Group

Hope this helps...

 

[Sonja D]

Hi Sonja D, welcome to the best place to learn and share info...I recently completed FMEA and Control Plan training/refreshers courses via AIAG, they were excellent, I highly recommend them...They are not inexpensive but thorough and worth the effort.



Hope this helps...

Thank you for the information. Did they take you through a process showing how the process flow connects to the PFMEA and the control plan?

 

[Jim Wynne]

Thank you for the information. Did they take you through a process showing how the process flow connects to the PFMEA and the control plan?

This is a fairly simple process. On the PFD, number the process steps. On the PFMEA, use the same numbering for each of the process steps and complete the PFMEA process. Use the information learned from the PFMEA process to inform the control plan. Note that the process steps on the PFD and PFMEA should match, but on the control plan, some steps may be omitted if it was determined in the PFMEA process that special controls aren't needed. Thus, on the PFD and PFMEA you might have process steps 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, but only 1, 2 and 4 might be shown on the control plan.

 

[Sonja D]

This is a fairly simple process. On the PFD, number the process steps. On the PFMEA, use the same numbering for each of the process steps and complete the PFMEA process. Use the information learned from the PFMEA process to inform the control plan. Note that the process steps on the PFD and PFMEA should match, but on the control plan, some steps may be omitted if it was determined in the PFMEA process that special controls aren't needed. Thus, on the PFD and PFMEA you might have process steps 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, but only 1, 2 and 4 might be shown on the control plan.

Thank you Jim,
I understand the principals of the process. I am looking for training that will help me connect the pfmea and c-plan dots. The examples I have seen in the AIAG manuals do not follow through a process. I want to make sure that I am putting the correct information from the PFMEA into the control plan. Since we use Excel and not a software that automatically put the information into the C-plan from the PFMEA, I want to make sure I am doing it properly.

 

[Jim Wynne]

Thank you Jim,
I understand the principals of the process. I am looking for training that will help me connect the pfmea and c-plan dots. The examples I have seen in the AIAG manuals do not follow through a process. I want to make sure that I am putting the correct information from the PFMEA into the control plan. Since we use Excel and not a software that automatically put the information into the C-plan from the PFMEA, I want to make sure I am doing it properly.

The problem is that specific training probably won't help much in this regard. It's your company's responsibility to determine what needs special controls and what doesn't. The purpose of the PFMEA process is to identify the process steps that need special controls. You can learn from a training course how to do things in a very general sense, but not how to apply the principles specifically to your processes. I don't want to discourage you from being trained because there might be some useful enlightenment, but you just shouldn't expect disinterested parties to help with the idiosyncrasies of your processes.

 

[optomist1]

Thank you for the information. Did they take you through a process showing how the process flow connects to the PFMEA and the control plan?

yep, let me see if I can share a bit of info from my class notes...fyi, I previously requested AIAG permission to post course screen shots, they shot that down so to speak...Cheers Optomist1

 

[Casana]

Hi Sonja D, welcome to the best place to learn and share info...I recently completed FMEA and Control Plan training/refreshers courses via AIAG, they were excellent, I highly recommend them...They are not inexpensive but thorough and worth the effort.

Link - AIAG.org - Automotive Industry Action Group

Hope this helps...

Hi Optimist1 - did you take this class on line or in person? I'm looking for a class and was seriously considering the AIAG one but I'd have to do it remote (plus there's no way I'm going to Michigan in winter! )

Also -did you take the generic FMEA class or the DFMEA version? I'm going to need both but don't want to take both classes, hoping the generic one will be sufficient... Thx for any comments!

(apologies for highjacking this thread...)

 

[Johnnymo62]

A few of my customer's had their own core tools training that was required but free.

 

[optomist1]

Hi Casana...below what my FMEA course addressed...and btw, I can highly recommend all the AIAG courses, well constructed, thorough and a good user interface, i.e. very few IT issues.. Hope this helps