AIAG's FMEA Manual 4th Edition Released - 2nd July 2008

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Stijloor

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Re: AIAG's FMEA 4th Edition

Good question - I did not see an effective date of the FMEA book in the Forward. That may be because they state:

"The manual does not define requirements; it is intended to clarify questions concerning the technical development of FMEAs."

So, if it is not a requirement, how can it have an effective date?:notme: Inquiring minds want to know...:cool:
A few things that may help...

There is a requirement in ISO/TS 16949:2002, Clause 5.6.2:

The input to management review shall include information on
f) changes that could affect the quality management system, and..."

The new FMEA manual can be viewed as a change that would have an effect on the quality management system, thus, Top Management is expected to develop a (transition) plan.

In addition, most Customer Specific Requirements include the following (or similar) language: "The latest edition of the reference documents listed applies..."

The Organization is expected to utilize the latest revision of the AIAG Core Tools manuals.

So, even though an "effective" date is not specified, some action is expected to facilitate the transition.

We may hear more from OEM's and CB's soon I think....

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Re: AIAG's FMEA 4th Edition

Well, we know that the customers are going to fuss over having the new edition, but let's have some some fun....:notme:

A few things that may help...

There is a requirement in ISO/TS 16949:2002, Clause 5.6.2:

The input to management review shall include information on
f) changes that could affect the quality management system, and..."

The new FMEA manual can be viewed as a change that would have an effect on the quality management system, thus, Top Management is expected to develop a (transition) plan.
OK, bring it up in management review. But, to transition to a reference? Kind of tweaks the meaning of "reference" now, doesn't it?

In addition, most Customer Specific Requirements include the following (or similar) language: "The latest edition of the reference documents listed applies..."

The Organization is expected to utilize the latest revision of the AIAG Core Tools manuals.
Yeah, out to have a copy handy. Just wouldn't be right not to have looked at the index, at least.

So, even though an "effective" date is not specified, some action is expected to facilitate the transition.
All right, let's get ready to transition to a suggestion! Woo Hoo! Might take the cautious approach (just like you do when a new version of Microsoft Windows comes out), and wait until you see what each of the customer specific exceptions to the core manuals end up being before going hog wild into implementing a reference. :sarcasm:

So, even though an "effective" date is not specified, some action is expected to facilitate the transition.

We may hear more from OEM's and CB's soon I think....
As usual. They have a lot to say....it's called buy a training session from them or get your PPAP's rejected (even though it is just a reference-remember that part?) :rolleyes:

OK, enough of putting these things in historical perspective. Buy one, read it. Clearly, it will improve your FMEA implementation. All you really needed was this incremental improvement, right? :cool:
 

Stijloor

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Re: AIAG's FMEA 4th Edition

Well, we know that the customers are going to fuss over having the new edition, but let's have some some fun....:notme:



OK, bring it up in management review. But, to transition to a reference? Kind of tweaks the meaning of "reference" now, doesn't it?



Yeah, out to have a copy handy. Just wouldn't be right not to have looked at the index, at least.



All right, let's get ready to transition to a suggestion! Woo Hoo! Might take the cautious approach (just like you do when a new version of Microsoft Windows comes out), and wait until you see what each of the customer specific exceptions to the core manuals end up being before going hog wild into implementing a reference. :sarcasm:



As usual. They have a lot to say....it's called buy a training session from them or get your PPAP's rejected (even though it is just a reference-remember that part?) :rolleyes:

OK, enough of putting these things in historical perspective. Buy one, read it. Clearly, it will improve your FMEA implementation. All you really needed was this incremental improvement, right? :cool:
Ok, and your point is? :confused:

Stijloor.
 

Jim Wynne

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Re: AIAG's FMEA 4th Edition Roll out includes new APQP

It seems that the new version of APQP will be discussed at the FMEA roll out sessions.

If anyone attends, could they please let us know what is coming in APQP?

If the trend holds, the first change will the be that the book will be twice as thick!
...and a year late. :tg:
 

Jen Kirley

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Re: AIAG's FMEA 4th Edition

:bigwave:
Along with others from my organization, I will be attending the July 24th 4th Edition FMEA rollout in Huron, Ohio. :)
Please do tell us what you find out there! Sometimes we get background details in forums like that, which would never be written in the manuals but can help to use them.
 
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Keith Childers

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Re: AIAG's FMEA 4th Edition

I am curious as to why the 4th edition manual will now be more than twice as thick as the 3rd edition manual.
Anyone have any idea?
I worked every angle to try and get my employer to pay for me to travel to either Michigan or Ohio for the rollout events, but it just wasn't in the budget.
 

Stijloor

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#40
Re: AIAG's FMEA 4th Edition

I am curious as to why the 4th edition manual will now be more than twice as thick as the 3rd edition manual.
Anyone have any idea?
I worked every angle to try and get my employer to pay for me to travel to either Michigan or Ohio for the rollout events, but it just wasn't in the budget.
There's not really more content, but the page layout (more white space) has improved reading considerably.

So, no more stuff, but better.... I like it. They did a good job.

Stijloor.
 
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