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tarheels4 - 2007

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Right EMS audit is not a compliance audit, it is conformance to ISO 14001. But to test the committment to compliance as made in the environmental policy, the CB auditor should test the compliance system through sampling of environmental compliance.
 
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vanputten

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Hello Qualeety, Cncmarine, and Tarheels4:

Would you please explain your comments on legal compliance, ISO 14001 3rd party audits not being compliance audits, etc. as they relate to the 4th paragraph of the Introduction, to 1.0 Scope, and 4.5.2 of ISO 14001:2004?

Thank you, Dirk
 
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tarheels4 - 2007

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vanputten said:
Hello Qualeety, Cncmarine, and Tarheels4:

Would you please explain your comments on legal compliance, ISO 14001 3rd party audits not being compliance audits, etc. as they relate to the 4th paragraph of the Introduction, to 1.0 Scope, and 4.5.2 of ISO 14001:2004?

Thank you, Dirk
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Sorry I don't have "the 4th paragraph of the Introduction, to 1.0 Scope" with me here at home, but Bud is with me. Only section 4.1 - 4.6 is the audit criteria anyway, and that is ingrained.

I can say that there is a difference in compliance and conformance. In EMS, compliance relates to legal requiremnts such as EPA. Conformance is to the standard. The CB be auditor is there to audit conformance. When there is a clear lack of a committment to compliance, as required in the policy there may be a major non-conformance.

In regard to 4.5.2, a CB auditor should verify that the compliance evaluation by the organization is effective, and covers the legal requirements of the organization.

Compliance issues identified by the CB auditor should be addressed through operation control or some other avenue rather than be written as a clear non-compliance, if possible. At least that is the experience I have had with the CBs.
 
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What does it say?

qualeety said:
ISO 14001 certification does not mean legal compliance. :nope: ....it was never meant to be and no registar should make that claim. If one wants legal compliance, then on should do a legal compliance audit, not ISO 14001.
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Throughout the standard - particularly the 2004 revision there are references to legislation and regulation. There is a new element added that requires the organization to have a procedure in place to demonstrate they meet legal requirements and there is requirement for the third party assessment body to verify that this is taking place. I know it is not the same as a legal compliance audit but the wording I used stands:
Paul Simpson said:
we should be able to use ISO certification as a demonstration of legal compliance
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vanputten

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Thank you Tarheels4.

Only 4.1 through 4.6 are auditable? Everything else in ISO 14001:2004 is not auditable; does not apply to 3rd party conformance audits?

Thank you,

Dirk
 
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A good report - spoiled by the press release

JSW05 said:
Professor Lenox sent me a copy of the paper and his permission to post it.
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It took a little while (I have been out of the academic sphere for a while) and have to own up to not being familiar with the statistical tests applied to the data but accept that it is fact. The effort was worth it. As a desktop study of links between ISO 14001 certification and a whole host of factors it was very interesting. I am not sure about some of the measures - the researchers have used a lot of binary (Black / White) answers to questions that are more shades of grey. With that proviso aside it provides a lot of data - although as the authors acknowledge - it creates a need for more research to understand why these correlations exist.

The press release attempts to use the "shock" headline “Our analysis provides evidence that firms with lower environment performance, not higher, have a greater propensity to certify, thereby raising doubt that certification serves as a signal of superior environmental performance,” and ends up detracting from the report.

But then of course the correlation between ISO 14001 certification and an EMS and between an EMS and improved environmental performance is not news!
 
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tarheels4 - 2007

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vanputten said:
Thank you Tarheels4.

Only 4.1 through 4.6 are auditable? Everything else in ISO 14001:2004 is not auditable; does not apply to 3rd party conformance audits?

Thank you,

Dirk
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That is correct Dirk. IMHO. But you might want to check with Sidney for confirmation.

:topic: I am not trying to be nosey. I am just curious about your ISO 14001:1996 certificate. It has a January 24, 2002 issue date. Did you get an extension from TUV? Because it also says the certificate is valid until May 15, 2006. That is well over three years.
 
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vanputten

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Hello Tarheels4:

Our ISO 14001:1996 cert states it was revised on 2/3/2005 and is good until May 15, 2006. Tomorrow is the last day of our annual surveillance audit which is also an upgrade audit to ISO 14001:2004.

A year ago we went through a full system re-cert audit. Our registrar "revised" our cert on 2/3/2005. Their wording.

Regards,

Dirk
 
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