ANSI/AIHA Z10-2005 specific for Occupational Health and Safety Management System

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mohameda1979

#1
Dear
I am looking for ANSI/AIHA Z10-2005 specific for Occupational Health and safety management system .
is there any information available for such standard
thank you
 
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Jim Wynne

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Re: Ansi/aiha z10-2005.

Dear
I am looking for ANSI/AIHA Z10-2005 specific for Occupational Health and safety management system .
is there any information available for such standard
thank you
Welcome to the Cove. :D
The standard is available direct from ANSI. We don't share copyright documents here. Is there something in particular you want to know about it?
 

Henria

OSH Officer
#5
Hi.

The american OHSMS standard ANSI/AIHA Z10 is an excellent standard. It takes as a starting point the international ILO-OSH standard.

For me* ILO-OSH if there is not national standard in your country (or if you are an international compagny), ANSI/AIHA Z10 in the USA and BS 8800 if british, are better OHSMS frames than british BS OHSAS 18001 for built a relevant OHSMS.

* analyzes, reflexions and experiments of an old H&S officer in an international group (many.

Bye.
 
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mohameda1979

#6
thanks for help
actually I would like to know about the main differences between ANSI-AIHA Z 10-2005 and OHSAS 18001 .
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#7
thanks for help
actually I would like to know about the main differences between ANSI-AIHA Z 10-2005 and OHSAS 18001 .
Very few organizations use the Z-10, especially in the USA.

OHSAS 18001 is used by thousands of organization all over the globe.

And regardless of what some may say...OHSAS 18001:2007 has been recognized as an international standard for health and safety management and is the most widely recognized.

The ILO document is nice, but it's kinda wishy-washy because it mandates nothing other than saying organizations should instead of must.
 

Henria

OSH Officer
#8
Hi !

Mohameda1979, if you want to know the main differences between ANSI-AIHA Z 10-2005 and OHSAS 18001, the best way is to read and analyse yourself the OHSMS standards you want to compare. It will be very teaching. It is what I did myself (including by confronting them with international QMS and EMS standards).

Randy, in other discussion we already exchanged our arguments. ANSI/AIHA is young in the USA and thus still little known, but it is the standard of your country and it is a good standard (more explicit and more professional than the British one). The British standard although known internationally is a British standard and is not an international or ISO standard. The international one it is ILO-OSH. It is increasingly known (the different national standards are inspired some and refer to him, even ISO!). All these standards applies are strictly voluntary and nonobligatory, then making difference between "shall" and "should" is without effect (moreover only the legislation of a country can really say “must”). This vocabulary argument is perhaps the last chance argument regarding consistency and relevance of the various standards.

Mohameda1979, the offer of OHSMS standards is more open than in the past. Analyze them and make your choice (mine is the international ILO-OSH but ANSI/AIHA Z10 or BS 8800 are good too). If your country does not have a national OHMSM standard you can choose international standard ILO-OSH or the national standard of another country which will appear you most relevant to implement OHS management in your company. There does not need to choose the same model as others. There is not no need for choosing what others chose in the past, or to choose what certain consultants want to make you choose. It is only about your internal choice.

Bye.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#9
It's really a pity when an expert doesn't understand the intent of the documents being discussed and the difference between shall and should.

Here's a small example of the difference between the ILO-OSH and OHSAS 18001

ILO-OSH 2001; 3.3.1. The employer should have overall responsibility for the protection of workers' safety and health, and provide leadership for OSH activities in the organization.


OHSAS 18001; 4.4.1 Resources, roles, responsibility, accountability and
authority - Top management shall take ultimate responsibility for OH&S and the OH&S management system.


In use, the word "should" allows one to choose either to do or not to do, whereas the word "shall" doesn't allow that choice, "shall" is a requirement to do what is required.

Simply put, any organization can claim to meet the guidelines of ILO-OSH 2001 while at the same time exercising the option (should) to pick and choose which portions it wants to do or not do.

Because an organization "voluntarily" chooses to apply either the Z-10 or 18001 as its method for managing OHS issues it, the organization, makes either one of those documents a mandate that it must meet by fulfilling the "shalls" contained within them. This has nothing to do with the law or legislative requirement to do so. Because neither Z-10 or 18001 allow an organization to exclude itself from meeting all requirements (shalls), the documents have greater strength.

Additionally it is much easier to audit and verify that "shalls" have been met than "shoulds" for purposes of 3rd party certification...which is probably what you might be looking for.

Here is another part of 18001;

OHSAS 18001 now refers to itself as a standard, not a specification, or document, as in the earlier edition. This reflects the increasing adoption of OHSAS 18001 as the basis for national standards on occupational health and safety management systems.

OHSAS 18001 is being used by multiple nations as the template for OHS systems....Multiple nations means International and it is a standard so therefore it is an International Standard. Sooner or later the "duh" factor has to kick in on this.

I work for a major 3rd party certification body and I am an OHS management systems auditor and I do not believe that we do ILO-OSH 2001 certification, we do perform OHSAS 18001 and we will perform ANSI Z-10 system certification.

And oh yes, to cut Henria off before she goes completely nuts, my employer's global headquaters is in the United Kingdom and it's called BSI, and yes it is the same BSI that prints the 18001 standard (But there were an additional 40+ other organizations from around the globe that worked on the contents that were not under the control or management of BSI). I was a minor particpant in both ANSI Z-10 and OHSAS 18001, so I've done a bit more than just read them. (If Henria wasn'rt invited to those parties I'm sorry)

All of the documents have strengths and weaknesses, none are perfect. If you have to choose then a correct choice might be what a good majority are choosing.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Staff member
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#10
In use, the word "should" allows one to choose either to do or not to do, whereas the word "shall" doesn't allow that choice, "shall" is a requirement to do what is required.

Simply put, any organization can claim to meet the guidelines of ILO-OSH 2001 while at the same time exercising the option (should) to pick and choose which portions it wants to do or not do.
While I agree with Randy's underlying premise, I would offer that a well-intended organization, using a guidance document can have a much more robust system, reaching a higher system performance, compared to a marketing-seeking company, attaining "façade certification" against a requirements-driven standard.

In my experience, the biggest differentiation is the driver behind the effort: Is this certification just a marketing ploy, or is top management really serious about having a robust system to improve the occupational health & safety performance of the organization?
 
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