ANSI Z10 certification: On the road to...

Jim Wynne

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There are a couple of things I like about Z10, like the format that has guidance on the right side of the page and the requirements on the left. I like the appendix section as well...pretty good stuff. I don't like its wishy-washy specification of responsibility for health and safety in the workplace (the behavior based safety crowd/cult did the touchy-feely thing here).
:topic: Your use of nested quotes and remarks inside and outside the quoted material makes it difficult to tell who's saying what.
 
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Sidney Vianna

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OSHA couldn't give a rat's fanny,their focus is compliance and NIOSH has no regulatory oversight so who cares what they want.
So, if OSHA has no interest on the Z-10 standard, why were they represented in the writing committee? Same with NIOSH. I disagree with you on that one. OSHA might even incorporate Z-10 as part of the OSHA VPP program, enticing US organizations to deploy the ANSI standard, deflating the OHSAS 18001 bubble.
 

Randy

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Sid, I see more US organizations going with 18K than VPP (some have both). NIOSH isn't regulatory and it's under the CDC.

How is OSHA going to entice organizations, offer a door prize? 38 years after the Williams-Steiger Act of 1970 and Public Law 91-596 OSHA can't even force compliance without the courts and such, much less entice voluntary compliance to an ambiguous management process.

Sid, I come from the realm of OSHA compliance management (I learned it in California working for Lockheed, ITT and the US Army, just as I did environmental compliance). Z10, though nice, was dead on arrival. There may be some onesy's and twosy's but there isn't going to be thousands.
 

SteelMaiden

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Since I believe that this is a subject that many should be involved in, I guess I will finally get off my butt and chime in on.

18001 is gaining a lot more steam in the real business world, at least from where I sit. A lot of us were interested in the Z10 standard when it first came about, but interest has waned significantly, especially those of us who are in, or moving to, global business. At this point, for those of us who have worked our tails off getting internationally recognized business systems put into place it seems to be a step backwards to register a quality system to a standard that is not recognized outside of our country...or even not recognized in our country.

Now, I am not saying that we don't have an excellent safety program, we do. But, it is our (and I'm sure a lot of others) position that if we are going to go through yet another audit scheme, we would like it to be an international standard.:2cents:

Just to add the opinions, thoughts and comments of a working woman.;) Disclaimer: these opinions may, or may not reflect the decisions and opinions of upper management, dependent upon many factors.
 

Randy

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You're right on Steel. :agree1:

I'll teach and audit Z10 just like I do 18001 and have been prepared to do so for over 2 years now....there ain't much happening.:nope:

I am being swamped with 18001 by itself and as a piece of an integrated system.
 
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Randy

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I had never heard of the standard (I don't get out much, I know) :rolleyes: so I did search and found this article: Legal Perspectives on ANSI Z10.
There isn't one thing in the attached document that wasn't already being addressed by 18001. OHSAS 18001 meets the same criteria and actually embraces OHSA stronger when it defines managements responsibilities.

I like the little ending on page 6....

In summary, ANSI Z10 provides safety and health professionals with a significant new tool to help enhance existing program design or to help smaller employers create a program that can protect workers while at the same time satisfying regulatory entities and insurers, effectuating cost savings and minimizing legal liability.

It really isn't that "new". It's basically a re-package of 18001 with the cushiness of ILO OHSM-2001.

AIHA/ANSI have not made their case for Z10 over 18001, just look at the numbers. At every course I teach (public or onsite, and I go to more than the "Mom & Pop's"), I ask why 18001 is being used over Z10 and the answer is always the same...acceptability and recognition both inside and outside the US.......Z10 = Yugo.

As I previously stated, there are some aspects of Z10 that I like (guidance on the same page as requirements and the Appendice's A-K), I even recommended in my comments to the OHSAS 18001:2007 working group on the draft that 18001 adopt a similar format....it was a no-go.
 
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The ANSI/AIHA Z-10 has been "kicked off" and is currently being requested by many companies in the US. We are the first company in the US to be ANSI-Z10 certified by ANAB and it has added value to our company for the purpose of promoting health & safety to all the employess. It is oriented to participation of employees and that has added the most value of all. We were mandated to comply to the 18001 standard as well so we have a clear opinion of which standard works best for us. If you read the contributors to the ANSI vs 18001 standard, you will see that the ANSI standard had more credible industries including OSHA,to generate the guidelines.
 

SteelMaiden

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Congrats on your acheivement. Putting together these systems is always a lot of work. I do have a question though. The standard was released in 2005 and the first company to gain certification was May 2008? Or the first company certified by your registrar? I just wanted to make sure that I was reading all this correctly. http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/080521/143235.html

Again, thanks for joining us, and job well done.
 
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