Application of CQI-9 Heat Treat Survey for an Annealing Process - Steel Coils

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Bigfoot

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I would like to ask if anyone could give some guidance on applying the CQI-9 Heat Treat Survey for an annealing process. We have an annealing process to service coils of steel for our Cold Strip Mill. We also perform annealing services on coils as a contracted service. I have reviewed the CQI-9 survey but don't see any direct tie in to an annealing process. I admit that I have limited experience with annealing and it is entirely possible that I have tunnel vision which limits my understanding of what is expected of an annealing source with regards to the CQI-9 requirements. :confused:

Can someone lend some guidance on how to show / demonstrate compliance to this? We have a TS Surveillance audit in mid February and I expect it to be one of those hot button issues with this lead Assessor. :mg: :cfingers:
 
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David McGan

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I'm also interested in knowing about the intended scope of the CQI-9 Heat Treat Survey. In looking at a number of the questions and the way they are asked, it appears that the survey primarily applies to an organization which primarily works with steels or sand-cast aluminum, etc.

Is an organization which only performs T5 stress relieving or artifical aging of Aluminum die castings considered under the scope of this survey?

If anyone has a clear definition of the scope of the requirement, I'd surely appreciate it.
 

Ettore

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I'm Interested too. We haven't again an annealing specific line for ours hot rolled coils from our mini mill but sometimes we buy cold rolled coils for our Galvanizing line and we have to do this heat treat process. I'd read something about it at : http://www.iaob.org/pdfs/FordspecTS2nd_08_November_2006.pdf
4.3 Engineering Specifications (ISO/TS 16949:2002 cl. 4.2.3.1, 7.3.5)
Heat Treating Specification (W-HTX)
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Bigfoot

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I'm also interested in knowing about the intended scope of the CQI-9 Heat Treat Survey. In looking at a number of the questions and the way they are asked, it appears that the survey primarily applies to an organization which primarily works with steels or sand-cast aluminum, etc.

Is an organization which only performs T5 stress relieving or artifical aging of Aluminum die castings considered under the scope of this survey?

If anyone has a clear definition of the scope of the requirement, I'd surely appreciate it.
David, During our recent TS Surveillance audit the auditor & I debated :argue: the applicability of CQI-9 to our annealing process. He is saying that the IAOB has issued an informal interpretation that the CQI-9 survey is applicable to all organizations that provide heat treating, sintering, brazing, annealing, ... etc, regardless of their being a supplier to a Tier 1 or Tier 2 who is requiring it. If the organization is certified to TS, and performs one of these services, then CQI-9 applies is the interpretation that the registrar is going with. :( Supposedly there will be new CSR's from Ford & GM coming out soon that clarify this issue for all of us. :confused:
 
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ggdjr

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I would like to ask if anyone could give some guidance on applying the CQI-9 Heat Treat Survey for an annealing process. We have an annealing process to service coils of steel for our Cold Strip Mill. We also perform annealing services on coils as a contracted service. I have reviewed the CQI-9 survey but don't see any direct tie in to an annealing process. I admit that I have limited experience with annealing and it is entirely possible that I have tunnel vision which limits my understanding of what is expected of an annealing source with regards to the CQI-9 requirements. :confused:

Can someone lend some guidance on how to show / demonstrate compliance to this? We have a TS Surveillance audit in mid February and I expect it to be one of those hot button issues with this lead Assessor. :mg: :cfingers:
i'm coming in quite late here but i would be interested to know how the CQI-9 portion of our audit went.

I do see where Annealing/Normalizing/Stress Relieving are put together in the assessment and could answer more specific questions if you still have them

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I have a customer(s) waiver for exactly this requirement. I would contact your customer technical sales group. They should be able to help.
 
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IngridD - 2012

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David, During our recent TS Surveillance audit the auditor & I debated :argue: the applicability of CQI-9 to our annealing process. He is saying that the IAOB has issued an informal interpretation that the CQI-9 survey is applicable to all organizations that provide heat treating, sintering, brazing, annealing, ... etc, regardless of their being a supplier to a Tier 1 or Tier 2 who is requiring it. If the organization is certified to TS, and performs one of these services, then CQI-9 applies is the interpretation that the registrar is going with. :( Supposedly there will be new CSR's from Ford & GM coming out soon that clarify this issue for all of us. :confused:
Hi
If I read through the end of this thread, I am not sure if I can find clues to this question: is CQI-9 applicable to annealing processes on rolled and annealed steel wire? We are a Tier 2 supplier.
I am very interested to find the outcome of this earlier question.
Thanks in advance.
Ingrid.
 

Stijloor

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Hi
If I read through the end of this thread, I am not sure if I can find clues to this question: is CQI-9 applicable to annealing processes on rolled and annealed steel wire? We are a Tier 2 supplier.
I am very interested to find the outcome of this earlier question.
Thanks in advance.
Ingrid.
Ingrid,

Ask your Customer if this is applicable to your organization.
Better be sure.

Stijloor.
 
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