APQP Application - Product/process modification and production transfer

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_steph_

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Hello !

Do we have to apply APQP only for new part/product/system or also in case of product/process modification or production transfer ...
My opinion is if customer requires a PPAP then we have to apply APQP ...
Is that correct ?

In that case, in wich section of ISO TS could I find this requirement ?

Thank you for your help.
 
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Stijloor

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Re: APQP Application field

Hello !

Do we have to apply APQP only for new part/product/system or also in case of product/process modification or production transfer ...
My opinion is if customer requires a PPAP then we have to apply APQP ...
Is that correct ?

In that case, in wich section of ISO TS could I find this requirement ?

Thank you for your help.
Steph,

APQP guidelines can be used in any phase of the process/program development process.

ISO/TS 16949:2002 does not require APQP. There is a note in Clause 7.1 that states:

NOTE Some customers refer to project management or advanced product quality planning as a means to achieve product realization. Advanced product quality planning embodies the concepts of error prevention and continual improvement as contrasted with error detection, and is based on a multidisciplinary approach.

(Emphasis is mine.)

Because this is contained in a NOTE, it is for clarification only and does not constitute an ISO/TS requirement

APQP itself does not contain requirements, although its use is mandated by certain automotive customers through their CSR's (Customer Specific Requirements).

When you perform PPAP, APQP can be a good guideline, but is not required.

Hope this helps.

Stijloor.
 
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prototyper

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Re: APQP Application field

Clause 7.3.3.1 Product design input and clause 7.3.3.2 Manufacturing process design input both have a list of "shalls" which equate to APQP, including DFMEA, PFMEA, process flow, control plans, etc.

Depending on the PPAP submission level specified by the customer you may not have to submit all of this information, but you must have it available for review.
 
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acaldas

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Hi!

It's my first time in Elsmar and It looks fantastic!!

To summarize I think:

- APQP is not a procedure, it's a good way of working or planing for success.
-PPaP sholud be updated each time there is a change on process or product and level of submision depends on customer requirements.

Bye, Bye
 

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#6
Hi!

It's my first time in Elsmar and It looks fantastic!!

To summarize I think:

- APQP is not a procedure, it's a good way of working or planing for success.
-PPaP sholud be updated each time there is a change on process or product and level of submision depends on customer requirements.

Bye, Bye
:bigwave: Hi Acaldas, :bigwave:
Welcome to The Cove! There are some great resources and lively discussions here. Everyone's input is appreciated. You're comments are right on...Thanks for contributing.

Patricia :magic:
 
S

_steph_

#7
Hello Acaldas !

I see what you mean.

APQP is not a procedure. Fact remains that the quality systems say if you must use APQP or not or partially.

My opinion is as you must submit PSW with dedicated PPAP (whatever the content and the submission level) when we make a modification on the serial product/process - and as PPAP is an APQP requirement, It seems logic to me that if our quality system requires APQP, we should use APQP for Product/Process modifications.

Thank you for your help.
 
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