APQP Compliance Internal Audit - Ideas, check lists or main questions to prepare

qusys

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Do you have some ideas, check lists or main questions to prepare an internal audit to be compliance versus APQP AIAG Blue Book?
Who share something?
Thks a lot:bigwave:
 
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Stijloor

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Do you have some ideas, check lists or main questions to prepare an internal audit to be compliance versus APQP AIAG Blue Book?
Who share something?
Thks a lot:bigwave:
The AIAG APQP/CP manual contains a set of guidelines, not requirements, for quality planning. An (automotive supplier) organization may be required by their automotive customer(s) to use the manual for planning purposes, but not all guidelines may apply. So "auditing" against the APQP guidelines does not make a whole lot of sense to me. It would be better if you develop a process audit for the planning process as it applies to your company.

Hope this helps.

Stijloor.
 

qusys

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Yes, actually is a preparation for our TS aduit. First time doing this.
Follow the suggestion of Stijloor.
I guess you are auditing the process of product and mfg process design & development as one of your QMS process.
My advice is to ensure the complaince to the clauses of ISO TS, checking for example for input/output of the process, responsibilities, records of verification, validation etc..., management of the changes...etc..
You could focus on one automotive product in all phase of AQPQ if you apply it.:bigwave:
 
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qusys

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Yes, actually is a preparation for our TS aduit. First time doing this.
Appreciated your thanks.
Consider that here in this forum there is a plenty of documentation.
Look in the green "post attachment" bar.
I made a research for you with key word "apqp".

This is the link:
http://elsmar.com/Forums/fileslist.php?mode=allfiles&sortby=filename&pageamt=1&criteria=apqp

Check to have some ideas and help for your intent. Probably there are some file that could help you, I think the 7th and the 8th in the list.
Hope this helps and welcome on the forum:bigwave:
 

Howard Atkins

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APQP is a process which should be described- either by you saying that you are working according to the AIAG book or according to your own process

When Stijloor says it is not auditable this is correct as long as you do not say you work according to the handbook- then it is auditable.

As qusys says the APQP process is supposed to be a guide to the implementation of 7.1 and 7.3 in the standard.

You need to audit your process , the Control Plan and the FMEA are required outputs and as such only show this aspect of the process .
Check that your process does transform the required inputs- they are in the standard- into the required outputs- also in the standard.
Remember that if their are customer requirements, you must audit these as well.

e.g Ford
Says the following

4.14 Planning of Product Realization (ISO/TS 16949 cl. 7.1, 7.3.1,
4.2.1d, 7.3.4.1, 5.4.1, 5.4.2)

Appropriate to the supplier's responsibilities, the organization shall meet the
requirements of the Engineering Statement of Work (available on
https://web.gfss.ford.com )

For all supplier sites with parts launching under the Global Product
Development System (GPDS).
Effective 30th January, 2008, the Advanced Product Quality Planning form version 3.2 or 3.1 (Pan Brand) is replaced by Supplier APQP/PPAP Readiness Assessment
– Schedule A, see https://web.qpr.ford.com/sta/APQP.html and
https://web.qpr.ford.com/sta/GPDSSupplierEngagement.html on Ford Supplier
Portal.
Note: There may be vehicle programs already underway where the APQP versions 3.1 and 3.2 Pan Brand (see https://web.qpr.ford.com/sta/FPDSLaunch.html) are currently in use and this should continue unless otherwise authorized by Ford STA.
If you are a supplier to Ford- you must audit this.

Fiat

Says

6. Prototype Programme (Ref. ISO/TS 16949, § 7.3.6.2)
Supplier will provide all delivered prototype parts with Certification of Quality and Conformance of Prototypes.
These issues must be audited .

You must also show that your auditors have been trained on customer specific requirements.
 

qusys

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APQP is a process which should be described- either by you saying that you are working according to the AIAG book or according to your own process

When Stijloor says it is not auditable this is correct as long as you do not say you work according to the handbook- then it is auditable.

As qusys says the APQP process is supposed to be a guide to the implementation of 7.1 and 7.3 in the standard.

You need to audit your process , the Control Plan and the FMEA are required outputs and as such only show this aspect of the process .
Check that your process does transform the required inputs- they are in the standard- into the required outputs- also in the standard.
Remember that if their are customer requirements, you must audit these as well.

e.g Ford
Says the following



If you are a supplier to Ford- you must audit this.

Fiat

Says



These issues must be audited .

You must also show that your auditors have been trained on customer specific requirements.
Hi Howard,
your points are precise and give precious suggestions.
My post went in that sense you got deeper and deepr.
I would also like to suggest to the poster that he should also verify that the same procedure for mgf process approval used by the organization shall also apply to the suppliers of the same organization.
So, if he mentioned APQP, I assume that they are also using PPAP , so, based upon the clause of standard 7.3.6.3., they shall go in that sense too with suppliers.
So, this is another item to check in the internal audit for their process.
Hope this helps again.:bigwave:
 
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