APQP for Non-Automotive Suppliers

markl368

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I don't work in the auto industry, but I'm somewhat familiar with APQP. We really need to work with our suppliers to maintain consistent change control processes...we were recently burned by someone making an "insignificant" change...and I was wondering if anyone had ever used something like APQP or an adapted APQP to work with a supplier to control change.
 
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Dooglas

#2
Customers should be able to exert control over the product they are purchasing from their suppliers and should therefore be able to control any change or proposed changes to the product or processes that create the product. If the insignificant change burned you, then the supplier must have failed to meet the purchase order agreement in some way or supplied product that did not meet the specifications on the design print. This should give you as the customer the leverage you need to issue a rejection and require formal corrective action from the supplier.

Customers often use audits as a way to monitor their suppliers to make sure they have adequate systems in place to prevent the type of problem you describe. Does your company audit and assess its suppliers on a regular basis?

I am not well versed with APQP but I know the principles are being used by more and more companies as personnel formerly employed within industries that do apply the techniques move on to new organizations that have not used it.
It also looks like this has been a topic in previous threads.
 

Marc

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#3
It all comes back to a company's quality plan for a product. What automotive calls APQP is neither new or unique. We used the same process (with some additional steps) way back in the 1980's when I was in DoD work in aerospace electronics. The names are not the same, necessarily, but the parts of the APQP process were the same for all intents and purposes. We called them a QAPP - Quality Assurance Program Plan and I used to write them. All contracts were very specific in that any time we made the slightest change it had to first be approved by the customer (the DoD). Most of our processes had "qualified" operators so even a change in operators typically had to be pre-approved.

This is automotive's APQP process in a nutshell

As to the original post, when you choose a supplier your contract review and approval process should include aspects such as how quality of the product will be controlled. Additional controls and things such as supplier process (or other) changes should be addressed. In my mind when ever a supplier makes any type of change you are essentially going through a contract change which requires a contract review. No matter what they change, the customer must be advised prior to the change to give the customer time to evaluate the change and any potential effect it has.

There is no such thing as an "insignificant" change with the exception (in most cases) of a change in operator(s) of that process. And even there, often times personnel change can be a significant factor. Even moving a piece of equipment to a different place on the manufacturing floor can be a significant change.
 
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Bjourne

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I have a reading material I refer to from time to time which is a supplier manual from a firm which supplies automotive materials. I'd like to share it with you if you like. Can you provide an email address? It's on OneDrive but I am still new to the concept and just sits there. Am a long time Gmail user...Just let me know if you wish to have a copy and I will email it to you.
 

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I don't work in the auto industry, but I'm somewhat familiar with APQP. We really need to work with our suppliers to maintain consistent change control processes...we were recently burned by someone making an "insignificant" change...and I was wondering if anyone had ever used something like APQP or an adapted APQP to work with a supplier to control change.
It depends on the criteria that you have agreed with your own suppliers, even though they are not automotive. You can consider to issue a supplier quality manual and transmit it to the supplier where you established criteria for their process change communication.
You may also want to implement PPAP or similar procedure for product approval process. I understand that you can find some resistance, but , if you are in ISO TS world, it is the only method to improve the whole supply chain, making leverage on supplier development.
 

markl368

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#6
Thanks for the responses. I talked to another friend and he also suggested a PPAP approach. I was able to download a couple of checklists off the web and I think those will help define some better controls that we can discuss with our supplier concerning changes. Of course, as several said, the problem was that they thought the change was "insignificant" and would never have required any notification to us. That will be handled as a related but separate issue!
 
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QualityRookie

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I have a reading material I refer to from time to time which is a supplier manual from a firm which supplies automotive materials. I'd like to share it with you if you like. Can you provide an email address? It's on OneDrive but I am still new to the concept and just sits there. Am a long time Gmail user...Just let me know if you wish to have a copy and I will email it to you.
I would love to see what you have Bjourne. Would you email it to me as well?
 
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