Are Steel & Resin Suppliers Bulk Material Suppliers - TS 16949 PPAP

#1
Hello (clarification needed)
In your opinion does steel and resin suppliers fall under the bulk material? If not, do you think a level 4 PPAP including material cert and 3rd Party certification is adequate.
If considered bulk material, is a Bulk materials Requirments checklist required or only if requested by the customer? Therefore is A PPAP required at all?

How do other companies do this?

Thanks :)
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#2
Hello (clarification needed)
In your opinion does steel and resin suppliers fall under the bulk material? If not, do you think a level 4 PPAP including material cert and 3rd Party certification is adequate.
If considered bulk material, is a Bulk materials Requirments checklist required or only if requested by the customer? Therefore is A PPAP required at all?

How do other companies do this?

Thanks :)
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Annie,

PPAP requirements (submission, submission level, and contents) must be discussed with your customer.
We can provide suggestions, but the ultimate PPAP decision maker is your customer.

Stijloor.
 

Chennaiite

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#3
Hello (clarification needed)
In your opinion does steel and resin suppliers fall under the bulk material? If not, do you think a level 4 PPAP including material cert and 3rd Party certification is adequate.
If considered bulk material, is a Bulk materials Requirments checklist required or only if requested by the customer? Therefore is A PPAP required at all?

How do other companies do this?

Thanks :)
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Jan is spot on.

In PPAP glossary, Bulk Material is a non-dimensional substance (Solid, liquid or Gas). It *may* become Production material if issued a Customer Production Part Number. Apparently, you may have to check with your Customer.
 

Ron Rompen

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#4
I would definitely classify resin as a Bulk Material, however steel (whether in coil, sheet or rod form) is normally considered to be a 'normal' product.

As for the PPAP requirements for each, that would be dependent on your customers requirements, as well as you own. I generally require steel suppliers to submit a full Lvl 3 PPAP initially, with dimensional and material test results annualy (including cap studies if applicable).
 

Golfman25

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#5
I would definitely classify resin as a Bulk Material, however steel (whether in coil, sheet or rod form) is normally considered to be a 'normal' product.

As for the PPAP requirements for each, that would be dependent on your customers requirements, as well as you own. I generally require steel suppliers to submit a full Lvl 3 PPAP initially, with dimensional and material test results annualy (including cap studies if applicable).
What if you beat the crap out of the steel that it is indistinguishable from that form which it came in?
 

bobdoering

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What if you beat the crap out of the steel that it is indistinguishable from that form which it came in?
First, the chemistry is important enough to keep an eye on. Bad chemistry control can cause a beat the crap out process to crack instead of form. Second, it is important to know if the feeder for the beat the crap out machine is affected by material issues, you might want to qualify it (e.g. straightness for bar stock or wire). Finally, if there are any qualifications for imperfections (seams, etc.) you may want to verify they are still good. Even beat the crap out processes can take a seam and just stretch it out into an even bigger fissure.

....just some thoughts...
 

rjmsteel

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#7
Annie,

Does your company process the steel, such as slitting or shearing? If so you are processing a product "with a tolerance" hence not bulk, but what could referred to as a "part family" of say mult sizes. Our auditors just look at "the steel mult or bundle" as a product with again tolerances. Whether the steel is owned by your company or is customer owned, same as possibly for the resin, is another part of the story. :)
 
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