Are the AIAG document (FMEA, PPAP, SPC, MSA, APQP) guidelines or requirements

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sdgry - 2008

#1
We are a supplier of a tier 1 and we provide an electronic part that is assembled in a telematic box. For the D-FMEA, our customer requests it to be done according to the AIAG Failure Mode and Effects Analysis manual.
In fact, the layout of our FMEA is a bit different from the AIAG template; and we have chosen, based on experience, to use only 5 levels for ranking criteria, not 10, even though they have the exact same definition.
I already have tried once to explain that this way of working fits our needs and have no effect on the D-FMEA quality but our customer wants to have it done by the book.
Has anybody experienced the same kind of problem and can give me some clues?
More generally, in the automotive industry today are the AIAG document (FMEA, PPAP, SPC, MSA, APQP) only guidelines that can be tuned for specific use or mandatory requirements?
 
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funkj - 2008

#2
My experience is that you have a little "wiggle" room but not much.

Automotive is generally pretty precise in what they want.

A perfect example would be the following:
At a previous place of employment we had DCX in because we had some product issues and we were launching another new product. Because of the issues they wanted to do an on site approval.

They sent the engineer for the part and he effectively audited the entire system. As we walked the floor he looked at our SPC and asked what it was. We told him it was the form of SPC we choose to use. We went on to tell him that it met all of the requirements. He said he did not give a F*** about the requirements he wanted more......

In short if we would have tried to alter the requirements we would have really been in hot water. He actually wanted the requirements plus some more....

Hope that helps.

Just a side note if you read many of my posts they have bad experiences, so this could be a one off kind of thing. But it is something that actually happened.
 
T

Teri - 2011

#3
. For the D-FMEA, our customer requests it to be done according to the AIAG Failure Mode and Effects Analysis manual.
More generally, in the automotive industry today are the AIAG document (FMEA, PPAP, SPC, MSA, APQP) only guidelines that can be tuned for specific use or mandatory requirements?
"Our customer request" makes the AIAG books mandatory.
 

antoine.dias

Quite Involved in Discussions
#4
"Our customer request" makes the AIAG books mandatory.
This is the general idea. If the customer requests it you have 3 options:

- Follow the request and implement as requested.
- Argue with the customer (representative) and get another agreement. (preferred in writing)
- Stay away from that customer ( loose the business ):notme:

Best regards,

Antoine
 
#6
During your process audit, have you been experienced findings about the way to built all documents: APAP plannig, the RPN number decided in FMEA assessent process (is 10, 35, 50, and what was the base of argumentation), PPAP evidences, MSA and SPC data collection, calculation and decisions?

I ask these because there are a lot of improvement posibilities and the auditors are issuing a different reccomendations wich are more or less "theoretically aproach".

Thanks for any comments or sugestions, and goold luck in daily business.

Nick
 

Stijloor

Staff member
Super Moderator
#7
During your process audit, have you been experienced findings about the way to built all documents: APAP planning, the RPN number decided in FMEA assessment process (is 10, 35, 50, and what was the base of argumentation), PPAP evidence, MSA and SPC data collection, calculation and decisions?

I ask these because there are a lot of improvement possibilities and the auditors are issuing a different recommendations which are more or less "theoretically approach".

Thanks for any comments or suggestions, and good luck in daily business.

Nick
Thank you for your response but the Original Poster (OP) has not logged in since 14th October 2008.
 
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