Are we Training Internal Auditors Correctly

Randy

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#21
"More sometimes isn't better Linus, it's just more" Julia Ormond in Sabrina

I'm sure within the next couple of weeks, as has happened in the past, I'll be told that the course I'm delivering isn't what was expected even though it is clearly described in the ad material and on line...
 
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Raffy

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#22
Re: Objective Evidence of Internal Auditors having Audit Clause 4.1.

Jim,
I agree
Leaving the provider out of it.
My point is that people do not realise the difference and in fact tend to think that bigger is better and thus learn the wrong tools.
This is one of the reasons that IA are in a lot of times ineffective because they are auditing the wrong things. Thus the large number of questions about bureaucratic details of the audits rather than nuts and bolts!
The Internal auditors are more worried about the documentation than the audit, this is the problem.
I Agree.
Because in most cases, our internal auditors fail to deliver a value added activity. Auditee experience a burden from an internal auditor who seems to be stricter than our Certifying Body. Too difficult for all of us.
IMHO, Internal Auditors should be re-certify every year so that they will learn something new that they can share to their auditees as well.
raffy
 
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John Martinez

#23
"More sometimes isn't better Linus, it's just more" Julia Ormond in Sabrina

I'm sure within the next couple of weeks, as has happened in the past, I'll be told that the course I'm delivering isn't what was expected even though it is clearly described in the ad material and on line...
Yep. Managers want a lead auditor. They look for a lead auditor course (with blinders on) not reading the prerequisites. So that's my problem as a service provider? Not if it is clearly stated (and it is).

At the beginning of the course, I ask what experience they have, whey they are here and what are their expectations. If they have no experience with audting or the standard this lead auditor course is built around, I offer them the option to bail out with a refund. If they are there because they want to implement a system, I tell them that this is an unreasonable expectation; however, they can use some of the material to build their system.

 
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