AS9100 8.4.2 Type and Extent of Control - External provider test reports

[ImLost]

Plain English and how in the world to implement it (because apparently our process does not address how to handle this - and stating that we only use test reports to verify product when its required by the customer ~ very, very rarely does not meet the requirement)

When external provider test reports are utilized to verify externally provided products, the organization shall implement a process to evaluate the data in the test reports to confirm that the product meets requirements. When a customer or organization has identified raw material as a significant operational risk (e.g., critical items), the organization shall implement a process to validate the accuracy of test reports.

 

[Eredhel]

Did you get a non conformance, and can you quote the language with the section they call out?

 

[ImLost]

8.4.2, the statement of the non-conformity was: The organization's process to evaluate the data in the test reports to confirm that the product meets requirements when external provider test reports are utilized to verify externally provided products meet requirements is not effective in all cases.

We added the process that if an customer requires a test report for a part, it will be flowed down to purchasing who will then add it to the PO. The receiving inspector will request an engineer to verify the test results against the required documentation... the only problem for us is that it is very very rare that a customer requires any of these test results, most cases our suppliers send them to us as a part of the C of C package. We keep them just to keep all documentation together - so we dont have a process or anything to do this paragraph of the standard, let alone have any idea how...

 

[Pjservan]

So in order to perform incoming inspections what is in place to specify what is required? Do you have an inspection plan? Or a instruction/procedure?

 

[Sidney Vianna]

most cases our suppliers send them to us as a part of the C of C package. We keep them just to keep all documentation together - so we dont have a process or anything to do this paragraph of the standard, let alone have any idea how...

I don't understand what you don't understand. You buy raw materials, don't you? How do you verify the raw materials being received are in conformance with the specification they are supposed to comply with? Chemical, mechanical, metallurgical properties, etc. How do YOU ensure the material is conforming?

If you DONT buy raw materials, then you need to give us some context of the organization, products and what exactly the auditor was looking at when the NC was written.

 

[ImLost]

I don't understand what you don't understand. You buy raw materials, don't you? How do you verify the raw materials being received are in conformance with the specification they are supposed to comply with? Chemical, mechanical, metallurgical properties, etc. How do YOU ensure the material is conforming?

If you DONT buy raw materials, then you need to give us some context of the organization, products and what exactly the auditor was looking at when the NC was written.

We verify against the drawing or spec. Most items (99%) of what we purchase are COT's parts.

 

[ImLost]

So in order to perform incoming inspections what is in place to specify what is required? Do you have an inspection plan? Or a instruction/procedure?

We have a procedure;

"Test Reports: If the purchase order and/or DANA require a Test Report the inspector will call an engineer or the Quality Engineer to verify the test results against the required documentation. Upon verifying the provided test report and applicable documentation, the engineer/quality engineer shall sign for the acceptance of the test results on the packing slip."

 

[Golfman25]

So was the auditor thinking that all test reports had to be verified? Or did you miss verification of some reports identified by the PO/DANA?

 

[ImLost]

Definitely did not miss any; we will only request test reports for critical or safety related items.
My best guess is because its not stated that we only request and verify/validate test reports for critical or safety related items?

 

[Eredhel]

I might be misunderstanding. Do you mean you all purchase raw material but don't require CoC/MTR for every delivery?