AS9100 Certification vs. ISO9001

[Coury Ferguson]

So what we would be looking at is arranging for a corporate ISO Certification for ALL facilities at the next re-accrediation, and maintaining the AS9100 for the one plant (the other plants do not require it).

Dvora

Well.....yes and no. The certification would include all sites (Corporate) so maintaining the single facility would be automatic. It would require all Plants to maintain the AS9100 requirements. If I am understanding your statement.

However, I have read some other posts similar to this, and it has something to due with the clear definition of the scope and what exclusions apply to which sites, I believe. Even though I don't agree with that particularly definition.

 

[Dvora]

We want ISO9001 certification to be corporate. All of our facilities require this certification.

One facility requires AS9100 - theirs would remain for that facility only.

Hope that is clear.

 

[Coury Ferguson]

We want ISO9001 certification to be corporate. All of our facilities require this certification.

One facility requires AS9100 - theirs would remain for that facility only.

Hope that is clear.

That clears it up. Thanks.

 

[Stijloor]

We want ISO9001 certification to be corporate. All of our facilities require this certification.

One facility requires AS9100 - theirs would remain for that facility only.

Hope that is clear.

Dvora,

As you already have noticed, my Fellow Covers intend to see this through until the very end.

They do not give up easily.

Stijloor.

 

[Dvora]

That's OK - the more the merrier... some people say a multitude of counsellors is confusing... I think not... gives me a lot more to consider, so that I can make the wisest recommendation.

Glad you all don't quit!

 

[D.Scott]

We want ISO9001 certification to be corporate. All of our facilities require this certification.

One facility requires AS9100 - theirs would remain for that facility only.

Hope that is clear.

We have 10 plants scattered throughout Ohio, Michigan, Illinois and New York. All plants are under the same corporate IS0-9001:2000 certificate. Our Avon Ohio plant has AS-9100 certification which carries a separate certificate from the same registrar although it is still under our corporate management umbrella. There were a few "cross-overs" we had to address such as Management Review but we had no major problems.

If you have any specific questions that you want to discuss before you go to your CB, feel free to ask. I agree with the others though who state your best source for good advice is your CB. They know who you are, where you are going and they understand the certification system. Don't be afraid to ask them questions. I am sure they are more than willing to help.

In the meantime, it sounds like you are headed in the right direction. Good luck.

Dave

 

[Dvora]

Hi Dave,

You mentioned "There were a few "cross-overs" we had to address such as Management Review but we had no major problems."

Could you provide more information about the cross-overs? Were they difficult to handle? What should we look at as a concern here? From what you have described your company is very similar to ours (we even have a facility in AVON! go figure!)

I wish that I could contact our CB - but again - this is not an area over which I have any control or say

Thanks again! And again, once I know the end of the story, I'll keep you all posted with as much info as possible, to help others...

Dvora

 

[D.Scott]

Hi Dave,

You mentioned "There were a few "cross-overs" we had to address such as Management Review but we had no major problems."

Could you provide more information about the cross-overs? Were they difficult to handle? What should we look at as a concern here? From what you have described your company is very similar to ours (we even have a facility in AVON! go figure!)

I wish that I could contact our CB - but again - this is not an area over which I have any control or say

Thanks again! And again, once I know the end of the story, I'll keep you all posted with as much info as possible, to help others...

Dvora

There were a number of areas where the corporate offices did the activities you would normally expect to audit at the site getting the certification. This didn't cause a "problem" though. It was more a case of identifying these areas and determining the contribution made by the corporate office and site.

AS9100 has various requirements which must be audited for compliance. You can not exclude, for example, Management Review. Our task was to, with the aid of our CB, determine what we did at the site and what was done at the corporate level. Then the judgment had to be made as to the effectiveness of meeting the requirements of AS. Sticking with MR, we had to show that, although MR was done at a corporate level, the site still met the AS requirements. We had to demonstrate that the same analysis of data used to make corporate decisions was implemented by the site in making local management decisions then fed to corporate for MR there.

Engineering was another area. Our corporate office has a large engineering department with R&D facilities. Issues of design, configuration management, and other AS elements had to be evident and managed at the Avon site.

HR is done at a corporate level yet we had to show the interaction of the Avon site, training, etc. as required by the standard.

Purchasing was another area.

It wasn't difficult showing the relationship between the site and corporate once we identified what had to be addressed. It was obvious we were addressing all the elements but we had to document how we addressed them. The CB could not (and certainly would not) accept the statement "That is done in Wellington". The Avon site had to have some input and that input had to ensure the requirements were being met.

I would like to point out that one of our larger customers helped an awful lot is pointing us in the right direction at times. I was surprised to find out how willing they were to help. It almost seemed as though they wanted us to succeed. I had never run into that in the automotive industry

If you need any specific help, please ask. Good luck.

Dave

 

[Dvora]

Hi Dave,

I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to reply to my questions. I believe this is the supporting information we need to make a case to those above us to allow us to contact our CB and start making a move towards a corporate approval.

The structure you described is almost identical to ours - which is quite encouraging. My supervisor and I are preparing a presentation to give to our QA Dir, which will hopefully reflect the issues at hand and get his buy-in to start getting some official information for change.

I will indeed write if I have more questions (and I am sure, somewhere along the way, I will), but in the meanwhile... Thank you!!!

 

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Is $1000.00 the approx. difference between the two?