AS9100 Clause 7.1.4 Control of Work Transfers clarification

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Regarding AS9100C, 7.1.4 Control of Work Transfers - The organization shall establish, implement and maintain a process to plan and control the temporary or permanent transfer of work (e.g., from one organization facility to another, from the organization to a supplier, from one supplier to another supplier) and to verify the conformity of the work to requirements.

I am addressing this clause under my purchasing/procurement procedure; however, I have a question: Does the work transfer have to be a lateral move; in other words, we are AS9100 certified. Would the supplier we use also have to be AS9100 certified? Ultimately, we are responsible for the quality of the work. I don't know if the Rev C standard anticipates this or not. Any opinions on this? Thanks.
 
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IMHO, the supplier you chose to transfer the work to does not have to be registered (certified) to AS9100, as you control the supplier per section 7.4.

This link from the SCMH, found on the IAQG website, might be of some help as well.

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Sidney Vianna

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Would the supplier we use also have to be AS9100 certified?
The short answer is no. You can use the information contained in this ISO Guidance on outsourced process page. Replace ISO 9001:2008 with AS9100 and the text still applies.
The organization has to demonstrate that it exercises sufficient control to ensure that this process is performed according to the relevant requirements of ISO 9001:2008, and any other requirements of the organization’s quality management system. The nature of this control will depend on the importance of the outsourced process, the risk involved, and the competence of the supplier to meet the process requirements. Based on the nature of the control, it should consider the processes referred to quality management system for management activities, provision of resources, product realization and measurement, analysis and improvement. The outsourced organization does not necessarily have to have a certified Quality Management System, but it has to demonstrate the capability of the previously mentioned processes.
 
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Thanks for the feedback. Just thinking out loud: The Control of Work Transfers clause was probably introduced because the Purchasing section did not adequately cover every aspect of work transfer (outsourcing). In certain cases, the purchasing department would not be involved; therefore, the requirements of the purchasing section would not be applicable. I would see this as a loophole.

This would not be the case with my company, so this section 7.1.4 deserves a mention, but not a lot of detail because the Purchasing section of the AS9100 standard adequately deals with the controls and requirements of any outsourcing we would do.

Am I on the right track? Your thoughts?
 

howste

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Thanks for the feedback. Just thinking out loud: The Control of Work Transfers clause was probably introduced because the Purchasing section did not adequately cover every aspect of work transfer (outsourcing). In certain cases, the purchasing department would not be involved; therefore, the requirements of the purchasing section would not be applicable. I would see this as a loophole.

This would not be the case with my company, so this section 7.1.4 deserves a mention, but not a lot of detail because the Purchasing section of the AS9100 standard adequately deals with the controls and requirements of any outsourcing we would do.

Am I on the right track? Your thoughts?
I can't speak for the authors of the standard as to why it's there, but I believe that if the requirements of Planning of Product Realization (7.1), Risk Management (7.1.2), and Production Process Verification (7.5.1.1) are met, then 7.1.4 should already be taken care of. I think you're still not grasping the full scope of this clause though, because this could apply even if suppliers or outsourced processes aren't involved. Some of the biggest problems I've seen have occurred when work was transferred within the organization. The overall intent of this clause is that when work is moved anywhere within the organization's control it must be planned and executed to minimize risk.
 

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I can't speak for the authors of the standard as to why it's there, but I believe that if the requirements of Planning of Product Realization (7.1), Risk Management (7.1.2), and Production Process Verification (7.5.1.1) are met, then 7.1.4 should already be taken care of. I think you're still not grasping the full scope of this clause though, because this could apply even if suppliers or outsourced processes aren't involved. Some of the biggest problems I've seen have occurred when work was transferred within the organization. The overall intent of this clause is that when work is moved anywhere within the organization's control it must be planned and executed to minimize risk.

..and in addition..

When writing procedure, please considered the inevitable...

Yes, What if something happens to your company (tornadoes, hurricane, roof caves in because of snow....) in fact I have a list but - what matters to the customer is that they will received their product on time - even when you transfer the product to another supplier or location.

HINT: CONTINGENCY PLAN:2cents:
 

Sidney Vianna

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..and in addition..

When writing procedure, please considered the inevitable...

Yes, What if something happens to your company (tornadoes, hurricane, roof caves in because of snow....) in fact I have a list but - what matters to the customer is that they will received their product on time - even when you transfer the product to another supplier or location.

HINT: CONTINGENCY PLAN:2cents:
Are you implying that organizations must have a business continuity plan in order to comply with the work transfer requirements of AS9100?
 
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GAF_QM

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Are you implying that organizations must have a business continuity plan in order to comply with the work transfer requirements of AS9100?
I don't believe the Standard is directing that, but there are some customers that want to see a business continuity plan with some of their main suppliers, and this is about meeting customer requirements. I also see this as a risk management initiative. However, I'm hesitant to implement this because, first, I have to write it making it auditable. I would have to identify a supplier or suppliers. And, I would have to identify the controls to assure customer requirements are being met. Right now, we need ensure the company can successfully upgrade to AS9100C without putting any additional obstacles to that success.

I believe I've received the input I need from you guys out there to address this in my procedure. Thanks for all the help.
 
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