AS9100 & ISO 9001 Internal Audits (-+) - Auditor Qualifications

G

gutquality

#1
What is the difference between performing internal audits for a company under AS9100 certification if you are an ISO 90012000 auditor?
Is the format different and specially now when 2008 edition is included in AS9100rev.c?
Is the concept different? Are you required to be certified internal auditor when performing internal audits in the company you work for?(AS9100)
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor
B

Boscoeee

#2
Re: AS9100 & ISO9k2008 Internal Audits(-+)

What is the difference between performing internal audits for a company under AS9100 certification if you are an ISO 90012000 auditor?
Is the format different and specially now when 2008 edition is included in AS9100rev.c?
Is the concept different? Are you required to be certified internal auditor when performing internal audits in the company you work for?(AS9100)
The performance (process oriented) of the audit is essentially the same, but some of the subject material is different.

If you are doing internal audits, (from my experience) you can either go to ASQ or other service and receive training and certification. However, the standard only require that you have an internal audit program and the internal auditors are competent.

I am certified by ASQ, however I train employees to an internal audit process and have them demonstrate their competency. From that effort, I certify internal auditors for use in the company.
 

Coury Ferguson

Moderator here to help
Staff member
Super Moderator
#3
Re: AS9100 & ISO9k2008 Internal Audits(-+)

What is the difference between performing internal audits for a company under AS9100 certification if you are an ISO 90012000 auditor?
Is the format different and specially now when 2008 edition is included in AS9100rev.c?
Is the concept different? Are you required to be certified internal auditor when performing internal audits in the company you work for?(AS9100)
There is nothing that states that you have to be "certified" as an Internal Auditor. You need to be competent in the standard(s) that you are auditing and auditing techniques. It doesn't hurt to be certified, but not required.

There is a lot of differences between the AS9100 and ISO9001 standards to the extreme of understanding each one, in my opinion.
 
G

gutquality

#4
Re: AS9100 & ISO9k2008 Internal Audits(-+)

If the auditor has AS9100 training but worked with ISO only, does this change anything in the performance of internal audits in company?
Is it required somewhere in AS9100, for the auditor to have some kind of training for AS9100 or could it be just by work experience?
 
B

Boscoeee

#5
Re: AS9100 & ISO9k2008 Internal Audits(-+)

If the auditor has AS9100 training but worked with ISO only, does this change anything in the performance of internal audits in company?
Is it required somewhere in AS9100, for the auditor to have some kind of training for AS9100 or could it be just by work experience?
The test is competency and how you prove that the internal auditor is competent to perform the audit.
 
J

Jeff Frost

#7
What is the difference between performing internal audits for a company under AS9100 certification if you are an ISO 90012000 auditor?
Is the format different and specially now when 2008 edition is included in AS9100rev.c?
Is the concept different? Are you required to be certified internal auditor when performing internal audits in the company you work for?(AS9100)
Understanding the requirements of the standard is key to performing an AS9100 internal audit. When the aerospace ICOP was created a number of ISO 9001:1994 requirements where retained as part of the standard with a bit of Boeing D1-9000 and other aerospace companies requirements stirred for good measure.

Search the Cove for AS9100C information and you should find a wealth of information.
 
B

Boscoeee

#8
Understanding the requirements of the standard is key to performing an AS9100 internal audit. When the aerospace ICOP was created a number of ISO 9001:1994 requirements where retained as part of the standard with a bit of Boeing D1-9000 and other aerospace companies requirements stirred for good measure.

Search the Cove for AS9100C information and you should find a wealth of information.
Knowledge of the standard is always a good thing! However, in performing internal audits, one must really understand the internal processes and whether or not they are being followed. IMHO, one of the primary goals of internal auditing is to determine if the process are working as planned and taking action when you find a disconnect.:2cents:
 
J

Jeff Frost

#9
Knowledge of the standard is always a good thing! However, in performing internal audits, one must really understand the internal processes and whether or not they are being followed. IMHO, one of the primary goals of internal auditing is to determine if the process are working as planned and taking action when you find a disconnect.:2cents:
Please remember GutQuality first question “What is the difference between performing internal audits for a company under AS9100 certification if you are an ISO 90012000 auditor?”

Most ISO 9001 Internal Auditors are trained on the requirements of ISO 19011, as are AS9100 Internal Auditors. So the differences for GutQuality would be the QMS Standard.

AS9100 does not require any additional aerospace magic to be performed by the auditor during an audit only that the auditor understand what is required by the standard.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
G

gutquality

#10
Well I think all this really helps.
I'm glad I understand the process while performing the internal audits.
Thanks guys.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
R AS9100D internal audit checklist or ISO 9001 2015 to AS9100 D AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
D ISO 9001 & AS9100 Certificate issued by a consultant for a Distributor Registrars and Notified Bodies 11
E AS9100 / ISO 9001 Cert Suspended AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 23
Mikishots Definition Issue - "Issue" vs. "Risk" in ISO 9001:2015 and AS9100 Rev D (Definitions) Definitions, Acronyms, Abbreviations and Interpretations Listed Alphabetically 2
A Tailored ISO 9001:2008 for DLA (AS9100) (AS9003) ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 1
G Does AS9100 Certificate include ISO 9001 Certification? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 9
K What do I need to do to "upgrade" from ISO 9001 to AS9100 Registration AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 13
W Incorporating an ISO 9001 Company into an AS9100 QMS AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
T Combining Sector Specific Quality Standards - TS 16949, AS9100 and ISO 9001 Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 3
C Differences between ISO 9001:2008 and AS9100 ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 6
K ISO 9001 vs AS9100 Gap Analysis on Delivery Performance and Document Control AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
G Implementing Dual Standards in a Company - ISO 9001 & AS9100 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 1
M Combine ISO 9001 and AS9100 into a single Quality Manual and System? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 11
M Everything to AS9100 vs. ISO 9001? Commercial Jobs require AS9100 "Extras"? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 4
D "Simplified" AS9100 and ISO 9001 Internal Audit Checklists ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 43
L Developing a QMS Manual for AS9100 and ISO 9001 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 20
K Job Shop - Registering to AS9100 vs. ISO 9001 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 27
J ISO 9001/AS9100 Requirement for Management Responsibility ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 6
T ISO 9001 to AS9100 Gantt Chart AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3
Q AS9100 Rev C Certification and ISO 9001 with one audit for both AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 10
C AS9100 and ISO 9001 - Dual Certifications Suggested at AS9100 Internal Auditor class AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 13
T Transition to AS9100 from ISO 9001 (Cost) - We are an Aerospace and Military Supplier AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 31
G Combining AS9100, ISO 9001, & PRI (NADCAP) into 1 Internal Audit Internal Auditing 8
W AS9100 Rev C vs. ISO 9001:2008 Comparison AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3
C Do you keep ISO 9001 when going AS9100? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
W ISO 13485, ISO 9001, and AS9100 Combined QMS Manual Quality Management System (QMS) Manuals 14
M ISO 9001 and AS 9100 Registrations - AS9100 applicability to a software company AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3
J List of ISO 9001, AS9100 and TS 16949 certified companies in India Registrars and Notified Bodies 6
W ISO 9001:2008 and AS9100 combined Quality Manual (Systems Manual) AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 53
K Are ISO 9001:2008 and AS9100:2009 going to be the official dates used? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 4
T ISO 9001 and AS9100 Training Tools for all Employees ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 8
T AS9100 timeline from ISO 9001 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 4
R ISO 9001:2000 vs. AS9100:2004 Rev B Comparison Matrix AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 9
R AS9100 vs. ISO 9001 Comparison (Cross Reference) Matrix AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 9
GStough Anyone Here Ever Move from ISO 9001 / ISO 13485 into AS9100? Career and Occupation Discussions 3
A AS9100 ISO 9001:2000 Internal Auditor Training - Long Island NY Training - Internal, External, Online and Distance Learning 4
R Quality Policy: ISO 13485 vs. ISO 9001 (or AS9100 or..) ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 16
N BS EN 9100:2003 (AS9100 - Aerospace) vs. ISO 9001:2000 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
G Nuclear - ASME Section III N-Stamp - Requirements over and above AS9100 and ISO 9001 Various Other Specifications, Standards, and related Requirements 12
D Where can I buy an AS9100 / ISO 9001:2000 Banner? Misc. Quality Assurance and Business Systems Related Topics 3
E AS9100 vs. ISO 9001:2000 - How closely aligned is AS9100 to ISO9001:2000 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 8
O Adding ISO 13485 to an AS9100 QMS ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 13
A Does AS9100 require Suppliers to be Certified to ISO or AS? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 8
A Other Remote Locations - Do they need to be under our ISO/AS9100 System? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 9
N Losing your ISO Certification if you Lose Your AS9100 Certification ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 10
P AS9100:2009 compared to ISO 13485 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3
C AS9100, ISO Standard Applicable to Lighting for Workstations and Inspection Stations AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
M AS9100 Requirements and ISO 10013 Quality Management System (QMS) Manuals 4
K Registering to AS9100 - Already ISO/TS-16949 Registered AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 1
T Definition Rework vs. Repair in ISO/AS9100 Definitions, Acronyms, Abbreviations and Interpretations Listed Alphabetically 8

Similar threads

Top Bottom