AS9100 Management Representative - Can it be an outsider?

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CRBerry

#1
Hi to all,

First of all, I would like to say that this is a great place for all of us who work in the Quality field.
Now, I have a question. I would like to know if the Quality Responsible for a 9100 system can be someone outside the organization (who belongs to another company, for example). I mean the Responsible, not an auditor. That person who is related to point 5.5.2 in the 9100:2008 standard.
I think that the answer is no, but I would like to read your opinion. :read:
Thank you in advance.
 
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#2
Hi to all,

First of all, I would like to say that this is a great place for all of us who work in the Quality field.
Now, I have a question. I would like to know if the Quality Responsible for a 9100 system can be someone outside the organization (who belongs to another company, for example). I mean the Responsible, not an auditor. That person who is related to point 5.5.2 in the 9100:2008 standard.
I think that the answer is no, but I would like to read your opinion. :read:
Thank you in advance.
Many people who work in organizations work for another organization. This happens at board/C suite level, as we know. When they are on site, who are they working for? Who is paying the bill? Who benefits from their work? You may know them as an "outsider" but what does THAT term actually mean?
 
C

CRBerry

#3
Thanks for your quick reply Andy! We are talking about different companies...even if they belong to the same owner. And possible different locations!
 
#4
Thanks for your quick reply Andy! We are talking about different companies...even if they belong to the same owner. And possible different locations!
We encounter this question frequently, and my answer is the same - if the point was never brought up, how would anyone know they were an "outsider"?
 

dsanabria

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#5
Hi to all,

First of all, I would like to say that this is a great place for all of us who work in the Quality field.
Now, I have a question. I would like to know if the Quality Responsible for a 9100 system can be someone outside the organization (who belongs to another company, for example). I mean the Responsible, not an auditor. That person who is related to point 5.5.2 in the 9100:2008 standard.
I think that the answer is no, but I would like to read your opinion. :read:
Thank you in advance.
Just to clarify...

Are you asking about the Management Representative, a consultant running the Quality System or the Quality Manager?
 

Big Jim

Super Moderator
#6
All the standard says on the topic is that the management representative needs to be a member of the organizations management. It says no more.

I believe the intent is that the management representative not be a consultant that only shows up for audits.

As Andy pointed out, though, companies often have "outsiders" that work for the company in some form or another. The standard really doesn't fully address that.
 

Sidney Vianna

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Staff member
Admin
#7
I think that the answer is no, but I would like to read your opinion.
Check the following threads where this has been extensively and exhaustively discussed:

Management Representative is NOT a member of Management (
1 2 3 4 5 6 ... Last Page)
Can one Management Representative operate between two sister firms (
1 2)
Management Representative - Member of Management?
Quality Management Representative - Does the QMR HAVE to be a member of management

A search is a terrible thing to waste.:yes:
 
C

CRBerry

#9
Thanks for your reply about this matter. I will check the links you have provided. In any case, if anyone wants to add something, I would highly appreciate it.
 
R

Reg Morrison

#10
That person who is related to point 5.5.2 in the 9100:2008 standard.
I meant the Quality Manager.
ISO 9001 and AS9100 have no mention to "quality manager". The function referenced in section 5.5.2 is the function of a management representative. It looks like the question is not clear in your mind, but, either way, there are no restrictions for a MR or a quality manager to do the job part time.
 
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