AS9100 Shop Travelers - Six Questions

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TonyLee

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Hello All,

I am a newbie and I am glad I have found this forum. I have a couple questions related to shop traveler. I have reviewed section 7.5 of AS9100, but could not find answers.

Here are my questions please:

1) Is acceptable to reprint a new traveler, instead of redlines
2) If so, do you need to keep the original with the reprinted traveler
3) Is it required to explain the reason to reprinted traveler?
4) Stamp and date on reprinted traveler, consider backdate?
5) What are reasons for reprinted traveler, other than split orders or loss
6) What the correct process to use a reprinted traveler

Your guidance is greatly appreciated

Tony Lee
 
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DannyK

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You are required to maintain control of your production documents. So if you make a change to the production traveler, there should be a revision or date signifying the change and the necessary approval as per your quality system. If operations have already been completed, it is important to keep the "old" traveler as a record and attaching it to the new one would be helpful. AS9100D clause 8.5.6 covers this requirement:

8.5.6 Control of Changes
The organization shall review and control changes for production or service provision, to the extent necessary to ensure continuing conformity with requirements.

Persons authorized to approve production or service provision changes shall be identified.

NOTE: Production or service provision changes can include the changes affecting processes, production equipment, tools, or software programs.

The organization shall retain documented information describing the results of the review of changes, the person(s) authorizing the change, and any necessary actions arising from the review.
 

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#3
Hello All,

I am a newbie and I am glad I have found this forum. I have a couple questions related to shop traveler. I have reviewed section 7.5 of AS9100, but could not find answers.

Here are my questions please:

1) Is acceptable to reprint a new traveler, instead of redlines
2) If so, do you need to keep the original with the reprinted traveler
3) Is it required to explain the reason to reprinted traveler?
4) Stamp and date on reprinted traveler, consider backdate?
5) What are reasons for reprinted traveler, other than split orders or loss
6) What the correct process to use a reprinted traveler

Your guidance is greatly appreciated

Tony Lee
A1: Yes, as long as you can show what was revised. Could be a simple as "incorporated redlines."

A2: Yes you must maintained history of changes

A3: See A1 above

A4: As long as you can justify why.

A5: If you are releasing "new" revisions

A6: They must reflect the revision status.

Just my suggestion/opinion.
 
#4
Hi,
This is my first post.
My question is regarding Controlled Travelers.

What are the requirements for using a controlled traveler?

When creating a job, is it allowed to add or modify the traveler.
Our planners have been adding or modifying processes of a sequence in a controlled traveler. :frust:

Operators/engineers are allowed to redline and sign-off a sequence.
 
#5
Hi,
This is my first post.
My question is regarding Controlled Travelers.

What are the requirements for using a controlled traveler?

When creating a job, is it allowed to add or modify the traveler.
Our planners have been adding or modifying processes of a sequence in a controlled traveler. :frust:

Operators/engineers are allowed to redline and sign-off a sequence.
Welcome! An obvious question is "What's the purpose of the traveler?"

AS9100D is about having a (manufacturing) plan and then sticking to it because it works, and only making changes under controlled conditions, IF you need to.

As a manager, if I have someone creating a plan (the traveler) and then the people doing the job are changing the plan, why do I need the first person to create it? I could fire them and save money!
 

Sidney Vianna

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#6
Hi,
This is my first post.
My question is regarding Controlled Travelers.

What are the requirements for using a controlled traveler?

When creating a job, is it allowed to add or modify the traveler.
Our planners have been adding or modifying processes of a sequence in a controlled traveler. :frust:

Operators/engineers are allowed to redline and sign-off a sequence.
Welcome to The Cove. When it comes to shop travellers/routers, they come in all sizes and shapes. Some are extremely well developed documents and others not so much.

This type of document tends to serve multiple purposes, such as:
1. providing information about the job, the part number, drawings, special requirements, sequence of operation, etc...
2. provide a means to record completion of a step and allow the parts to progress to the next step
3. keep accountability of the parts, in case some parts fail verification checks
4. provide bar codes for the automated processing of the job, etc.

Good travelers are a very important component of the proper product realization and should be controlled adequately by functions such as manufacturing engineering/production planning. Revisions to such documents should be made by people with adequate knowledge of the product and processes used.

Redlining of such documents should also be done carefully. Some operations can be done out of sequence without any negative impact to the product. Others might impact the end product.
 
#7
The controlled travelers are created as requirement for AS9100. Correct?
If Planners add a sequence or modify a process, then do we need to create a controlled traveler?

We create them for traceability as well as a set sequence.
We have been complimented on our detailed information & recording.

Does AS9100 care about the differences in the same revision?

Fyi, operator redlining is to document a correction that will be used for the next revision.

thanks for your reply.
 

howste

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#8
The controlled travelers are created as requirement for AS9100. Correct?
If Planners add a sequence or modify a process, then do we need to create a controlled traveler?

We create them for traceability as well as a set sequence.
We have been complimented on our detailed information & recording.

Does AS9100 care about the differences in the same revision?

Fyi, operator redlining is to document a correction that will be used for the next revision.

thanks for your reply.
Travelers are not required by AS9100, but they can be used to meet AS9100 requirements such as:
AS9100 Rev D 8.5.1 said:
Controlled conditions shall include, as applicable:

a. the availability of documented information that defines:

1. the characteristics of the products to be produced, the services to be provided, or the activities to be performed;

2. the results to be achieved;

NOTE 1: Documented information that defines characteristics of products and services can include digital product definition data, drawings, parts lists, materials, and process specifications.

NOTE 2: Documented information for activities to be performed and results to be achieved can include process flow charts, control plans, production documents (e.g., manufacturing plans, travelers, routers, work orders, process cards), and verification documents.
Since you use travelers, when they need changing, then other requirements need to be met such as:
AS9100 Rev D 8.5.6 said:
The organization shall review and control changes for production or service provision, to the extent necessary to ensure continuing conformity with requirements.

Persons authorized to approve production or service provision changes shall be identified.

NOTE: Production or service provision changes can include the changes affecting processes, production equipment, tools, or software programs.


The organization shall retain documented information describing the results of the review of changes, the person(s) authorizing the change, and any necessary actions arising from the review.
See also clause 7.5.2. They can't change travelers at will unless they are authorized and they meet the criteria listed in AS9100, including records of the changes, review, and authority.
 
#9
Don't forget that a shop traveler is a way to meet the intent of 8.1 Operational Planning and Control, not the actual Manufacturing Controls (what used to be work instructions, suitable equipment etc).

Typically, a traveler calls out the sequence of operations (Op 10, cut to length, Op20, turn and so on), which may also include any outsourced process(es) (Op 50 - sub-con heat treat).

This is a PLAN. I'm wondering why, if someone drew up such a traveler, anyone on the shop would be permitted to red-line it. If the planner got it wrong, something's ineffective about the planning process...(or the competency of the people doing the planning)
 

Sidney Vianna

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Don't forget that a shop traveler is a way to meet the intent of 8.1 Operational Planning and Control, not the actual Manufacturing Controls ....
This is a PLAN. I'm wondering why, if someone drew up such a traveler, anyone on the shop would be permitted to red-line it. If the planner got it wrong, something's ineffective about the planning process...(or the competency of the people doing the planning)
As I said earlier, router/travelers vary tremendously in format and details. I've seen documents like those which identified the actual production equipment and fixtures that needed to to be used for a given operation. In such cases, if a specific machine is down, and the operation can be performed in another production equipment, the authorization for temporary deviation (redlining) is perfectly acceptable, as long as it is done by authorized personnel with the knowledge to allow the change.
 
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