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Deburr

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I am in the process of writing my QMS for AS9100C certification. I am a service company that preforms material removal operations (deburring and blending/polishing only) and uses no subcontractors and no raw materials or commodities that are incorporated/integrated in the finished product.

We buy off the shelf tooling we specify by standard catalog descriptions (abrasive products and carbide burrs/cutters). Many of these items are proprietary in the composition of the abrasive mix or coating and none of these items are made by companies that claim conformance to a specific industry standard. Example: 3M is listed in IAQG OASIS for the tapes and adhesive products used in aircraft assemblies, but the abrasives divisions are not listed.

Section 7.4 seems to deal mainly with subcontracting, and I find it difficult to apply all the requirements of that section to a company that makes sand paper and sells it through a distributor to my company, especially when it comes to testing abrasive products that goes way beyond our expertise. I understand the subtier manufacturing part of that section and we do none of that. How do other companies deal with the design, test, inspection, verification, spc, and related instructions for the supplier of sandpaper?
 
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Phiobi

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In short: You don't need to. You as a business decide to what level you control your suppliers. If they are deemed low or no risk to product then you can consider these low risk companies and maybe just monitor their performance with regards to quality and delivery.
 

Big Jim

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I am in the process of writing my QMS for AS9100C certification. I am a service company that preforms material removal operations (deburring and blending/polishing only) and uses no subcontractors and no raw materials or commodities that are incorporated/integrated in the finished product.

We buy off the shelf tooling we specify by standard catalog descriptions (abrasive products and carbide burrs/cutters). Many of these items are proprietary in the composition of the abrasive mix or coating and none of these items are made by companies that claim conformance to a specific industry standard. Example: 3M is listed in IAQG OASIS for the tapes and adhesive products used in aircraft assemblies, but the abrasives divisions are not listed.

Section 7.4 seems to deal mainly with subcontracting, and I find it difficult to apply all the requirements of that section to a company that makes sand paper and sells it through a distributor to my company, especially when it comes to testing abrasive products that goes way beyond our expertise. I understand the subtier manufacturing part of that section and we do none of that. How do other companies deal with the design, test, inspection, verification, spc, and related instructions for the supplier of sandpaper?
I don't know where you got that narrow interpretation from. Let's look at the opening statement from 7.4.1:

"The organization shall ensure that purchased product conforms to specified purchase requirements."

Do you not confirm that you obtain the materials that help you with your deburing operation will meet your needs, or do you use anything and end up messing up the parts?

The next statement covers what the last poster mentioned:

"The type and control applied to the supplier and the purchased product shall be dependent upon the effect of the purchased product on subsequent product realization or the final product."

What you have described that you are purchasing simply doesn't require much scrutiny, but some is needed to ensure that you don't mess up the final product.

How difficult can it be to list those suppliers, indicate that you have approved them, and indicate that they are currently approved? It should be very easy.

You do need to think how the rest of 7.4 applies to you, but it should be very easy, as what you buy has minimal impact (unless you get crazy) on the final product.
 
D

Deburr

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I should have added more supporting information to my question.

I do not a a problem with7.4, 7.4.1, or 7.4.1 a),b),c). I have all that. I think even d) is easy enough to address by listing the catalog description which includes for ( using my sheet of sand paper for example) the part number and size of the item, size and grade of the grain, and type of grain, and maybe even the type of bond.

It is how to address the requirements of e), that was my question.

When the material comes in, it is easy enough to check the quantity of the sheets and look at the back to see what the size of the grain and type that is printed on the sheet. But how do I verify that what the sheet has printed on it is actually what is on the sheet. We have no way to verify ( and I doubt most companies do) that the material is what it should be. If 3M does not make any statement that they conform to AS9100 or to some recognized authority, how is an auditor to know that even a C of C from them has any value? Just because they do millions in sales or they claim to be an industry leader? I could do the same, but it doesn't carry any weight with my customer that wants AS9100 certification from me.

So my question is still, how do other companies address this? Not having any experience with an AS9100 audit yet, I'm concerned about just how far does the scrutiny go?
 
D

Deburr

#5
Big Jim

In looking at your reply again, I think the key is your quote from the standard-"The type and control applied to the supplier and the purchased product shall be dependent upon the effect of the purchased product on subsequent product realization or the final product." That gives me a good argument for the way I plan to approach 7.4.3. Thanks again.
 

Big Jim

Super Moderator
#6
I should have added more supporting information to my question.

I do not a a problem with7.4, 7.4.1, or 7.4.1 a),b),c). I have all that. I think even d) is easy enough to address by listing the catalog description which includes for ( using my sheet of sand paper for example) the part number and size of the item, size and grade of the grain, and type of grain, and maybe even the type of bond.

It is how to address the requirements of e), that was my question.

When the material comes in, it is easy enough to check the quantity of the sheets and look at the back to see what the size of the grain and type that is printed on the sheet. But how do I verify that what the sheet has printed on it is actually what is on the sheet. We have no way to verify ( and I doubt most companies do) that the material is what it should be. If 3M does not make any statement that they conform to AS9100 or to some recognized authority, how is an auditor to know that even a C of C from them has any value? Just because they do millions in sales or they claim to be an industry leader? I could do the same, but it doesn't carry any weight with my customer that wants AS9100 certification from me.

So my question is still, how do other companies address this? Not having any experience with an AS9100 audit yet, I'm concerned about just how far does the scrutiny go?
Unless you have a customer requirement for material certs, you don't need them.

That doesn't mean you should not be diligent about checking the materials as best you can. You use the same stuff day after day and I'm sure you would notice a sudden change in grit size or color.

And again, that is why you use trusted suppliers, suppliers that you know will consistently deliver what you need.
 
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