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AS9100 - Validation, FAIR's, ITAR and Sub-Contracting

fraktion

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Hello my cove friends.

Could I please tax your brains?

My company is AS9100 certified. We've just taken on a new customer who needs us to help them out with a potential 50 parts tool transfer, urgently.

The parts are a mix of non-aerospace, aerospace and ITAR.

They don't want to pay for FAIR's so I've suggested they choose key dimensions and we measure 20 parts from a batch, which they like the sound of. They are now dragging their heels a little.

The questions are:

1) As they are moving tools to us, don't we HAVE to do a FAIR to validate the process change?
2) Will they have to do a FAIR on the incoming parts from us?
3) Are they able to give us any ITAR parts to run for them, or is this not allowed?

I want to help this customer but I need to make sure we are doing things by the book.

Thank you in advance for your help!
 
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John Predmore

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Why is the new customer dragging his heels? They don't want to pay for FAIR's?
You said you want to make sure you are doing things by the book. You mentioned your company is AS9100 certified. Let's start there.

section 8.5.1.3 Production Process Verification
... The organization shall use a representative item from the first production run of a new part or assembly to verify that the production processes, production documentation, and tooling are able to produce parts and assemblies that meet requirements. ... NOTE: This activity can be referred to as First Article Inspection (FAI).

"Shall" means your company has to do production process verification to be in compliance. AS9100 doesn't require you generate a report, although it is customary to provide results to the customer. AS9100 doesn't say every dimension, every part number must be inspected, only you show you are able to produce conforming parts. If the 50 different parts have similar features produced by similar processes, you might reasonably save time and money by doing a partial FAI on a set of p/ns.

You don't provide enough information for me to comment on your ITAR question.
 

fraktion

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Hi John.

I appreciate you reaching out. Since posting I have done more digging...

To address your questions, yes the customer doesn't want to pay us £2000 pounds for a FAIR for a single part number that will take us 2 weeks to complete due to the complexity of the part(s).

As it stands all the parts / drawings are customer owned, not passed down the line from their end customer. I'm told that as a result of this, it is acceptable for us to complete a report based on a quantity of parts over select key dimensions. The onus would be on our customer to create a FAIR their end (be it a full or delta) in order to supply on to their end customer.

Regarding ITAR: Customer owned tooling / drawings but end user requests ITAR control. I'm told that in order for my company to run these parts, we will need a 3 way NDA with our customer and their customer.

Does this all sound correct to you?
 

Big Jim

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AS9100 doesn't require you generate a report said:
Perhaps you don't need to generate a report but you still need to keep a record to handle this pesky line:

"The organization shall retain documented information on the results of production process verification."
 
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