AS9100 - Working Outside of Scope of Certification

Jcornett344

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We are a small machine shop that is AS9100 certified.
We also recently began performing fabrication work. However, fabrication is not listed under our scope.

As long as we do not state that our fabrication work is AS9100 certified, there should be no problems when the auditor comes around, correct??'

Thanks in advance!
 
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ScottK

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We are a small machine shop that is AS9100 certified.
We also recently began performing fabrication work. However, fabrication is not listed under our scope.

As long as we do not state that our fabrication work is AS9100 certified, there should be no problems when the auditor comes around, correct??'

Thanks in advance!
The scarier prospect would be a customer that expects the fabrication work you are doing is in-scope and it's not.
Make sure that you're not selling fabrication services as AS9100.
 

Jcornett344

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We wouldn't do something like that. That is my entire point.

I don't want to rewrite our QMS and get audited for something we aren't going to claim is AS9100 in the first place.

Your comment was a little condescending.
 
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We are a small machine shop that is AS9100 certified.
We also recently began performing fabrication work. However, fabrication is not listed under our scope.

As long as we do not state that our fabrication work is AS9100 certified, there should be no problems when the auditor comes around, correct??'

Thanks in advance!
The scope is there to protect you - and your customer! If they placed an order with you and specified (as previous versions of ISO 9001 required) in that order that the work was to be completed within your AS9100D certified QMS, THAT's the only time you'd be "in trouble"...

As for the CB auditor? Who knows what they'll ask - but you now have the RIGHT answer, irrespective.
 

Randy

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I've got a couple small machine shops doing exactly what you asked and they've clearly written down and have a floor map of the in scope - out of scope stuff they do including the machines that only do in scope work. Their in scope work is only going to specific customers and only use the materials specifically ordered by their customers and delivered to them on the customers selected carriers.
 

Sidney Vianna

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We are a small machine shop that is AS9100 certified.
We also recently began performing fabrication work. However, fabrication is not listed under our scope.

As long as we do not state that our fabrication work is AS9100 certified, there should be no problems when the auditor comes around, correct??'

Thanks in advance!
The scope of certification is something that you agree upon, with the CB, via a contractual relationship and is documented in the CB certificate. Confirmation of the scope of certification is something that all CB auditors should go over and confirm during each and every opening meeting of an audit, and that is the perfect opportunity for you to remind the auditor of the limited scope of certification for your business, so s/he don't go out of bounds during the audit.

As for the scope of the quality system, you are expected to define and document it, in accordance with ¶ 4.3 of the AS9100 Standard. Wherever you document it, you should clearly describe that the fabrication business is NOT subjected to the requirements of AS9100.
 
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