AS9100C for Non-Aerospace Military Equipment?

K

kohhc1975

#1
Hi all,
I am currently have a dilemma...
My company is in the process of AS9100 certification, and some of the key personnel had already gone into arguments on this topic already.

We are producing some equipment/parts for military usage (gun tactical light, Electro-Optics Sensors, Fire Control Radar, etc.). While part of the guys claiming that AS9100 requirement shall be implemented to these products, a different group actually had opposite opinion, as those military equipment/parts were not used for aerospace/aviation sector, and that AS9100 only applies to aviation related military parts such as parts for a jet fighter.

I've tried to find a clue of which statement is correct in AS9100 standard but to no avail.

Anyone could assist? :confused:
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor

DannyK

Trusted Information Resource
#2
The title for AS9100c is Quality Management Systems - Requirements for Aviation, Space and Defense Organizations.

It all depends on the customer requirement.
 
J

Jeff Frost

#3
Military, as pointed by DannyK, is defense. My recommendation, having worked in companies that had a customer mix of commercial and ASD, is to just run the company using AS9100 requirements only. Don’t try to run the company in duality, ISO 9001 for some and AS9100 for others, as logistics become a nightmare.
 

Big Jim

Super Moderator
#4
One of the significant changes between the AS9100B and AS9100C standard is the expansion of the scope of the application of the standard. The is reflected in the name change from "Aerospace" to "Aviation, Space, and Defense".

There is also a related statement that pretty much carried over that can be found in the last sentence of the foreward:

"While primarily developed for the aviation, space and defense industry, this standard can also be used in other industry sectors where a quality management system with additional requirements over an ISO 9001 system is needed."

This reinforces that AS9100C includes defense.

I would not recommend trying to apply AS9100C to aerospace only.

If you have other business outside of aviation, space and defense, you may benefit by trying to separate that business from your quality management system through your scope statement, or you can separate that business to adhere to ISO 9001. As the prior poster pointed out though, it can become a real boondoggle to administer.

Regardless, since AS9100C includes defense, it would not be a good idea to try to separate defense out of what you get registered to.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
P How To Transition From AS9100c to AS9100 Rev. D AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 6
W Nonconforming product AS9100C, 8.3 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
A AS9100C to D - Has anyone done a gap analysis? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
S AS9100C 8.2.2 - Selected Tools & Effectiveness of IA Process and Performance AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3
S AS9100C 7.5.1 Control of Production and Service Provision AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
W AS9100C Process based manual Design and Development of Products and Processes 4
W DCMA and AS9100C - Dedicating a week and 5 auditors to perform a AS9100C audit AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
W Unattached (stand-alone) Forms acceptable for AS9100C? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
A AS9100C to AS9100D Transition Testing AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
M Need help on QMS Development in an AS9100C certified organization AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 10
I AS9100C Lead Auditor Training Courses being Cancelled AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
Q What are the differences between ISO 13485 vs. AS9100C ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 3
W Certification on AS9100C - FAI or PPAP? Project Management or APQP? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 11
A AS9100C Out Of Tolerance (OOT) Equipment - Customer Approval AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 14
B AS9100C 7.5.1 d and calibrated equipment in the production areas AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
D AS9100C Clause 8.2.4 Monitoring and Measurement of Product AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 9
T AS9100C Processes which need to be documented AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
W AS9100C/ISO9001:2008 Dual Certification (to both standards) AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 8
A AS9100C. 7.1.2 Risk Management - Interpretations AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
W AS9100C registration - How long does the system have to run before initial audit? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 9
I Guidance for Transition from ISO9001:2008 to AS9100C AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 8
M AS9100C Quality Policy Requirements AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 14
M AS9100C Document Control for Machine Set Up Work Instructions AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 4
alonFAI Update an existing QMS manual or write a new one for AS9100C Certification? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
M AS9100C "Split" Audit Stages AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 4
H Is instrument ID required in the in-process inspection report per AS9100C AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 8
D AS9100C 4.2.3 - Obsolete Electronic ERP Documents AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 6
J Auditing AS9100C Section 7.5.1.2 ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 3
M Adding AS9100C Lead Auditor Certification to an IRCA ISO 9001 LA Certification AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 1
D AS9100C - New requirements to existing standard? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 1
K How Can I Implement the Process Approach in AS9100C AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 9
Q Interpretation of Clause 7.1 Planning Of Product Realization in AS9100C standard AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 2
Q Basic questions about AS9100C Quality Standard Requirements AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3
D Number of Audit Days for AS9100C Surveillance Audit (20 employees) AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
L AS9100C 8.2.4 a-d Requirements AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 6
L Documented procedures requirements for AS9100C requirement 7.5.1 a) AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 1
A AS9100C 7.4.3 Delegation of Verification (to a supplier for a specific circumstance) AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
S AS9100C Complete Internal Audit Software Package Recommendations Quality Assurance and Compliance Software Tools and Solutions 13
R Relating Cpk to Sampling Plans - AS9100C Para 8.2.4 & AS9103 Para 4.4 d. Capability, Accuracy and Stability - Processes, Machines, etc. 1
Buckyb AS9100C Clause 7.4.1 Appoved Supplier "Conditional" Status AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
B Example of Production Process Change having Significant Consequences AS9100C 7.5.1.2 AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 0
G AS9100C Clause 4.1.1 Requirements Clarification AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3
G AS9100C for Multiple Production Department AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 3
G AS9100C Internal Auditor Eligibility Requirements AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
E Risk Management - Planning Stage (AS9100C Section 7.1.2(d)) AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 1
G Detailed Project Plan for Implementing AS9100C AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
G AS9100C Gap Analysis Checklist for Implementation in our Company AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 7
C Become AS9100C certified...then move the facility. AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 4
C AS9100C Audit must include FAA Part 145 (FAA Repair Station)? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
C AS9100C Implementation in a Complex Situation AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5

Similar threads

Top Bottom