Asking for a Raise and Justifying a Raise

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Mustang

#21
Re: Asking for and justifying a raise

My sympathies, Kyle. Unfortunately, some variation on your unfortunate experience is typical of those of us in the "Systems Support" side of things. No one else truly understands what it is we do, how much we know, and how much we take on, until they decide we're "non value-added" (because we don't produce parts, even though what we do produces CUSTOMERS) and we're gone (I have been laid off, and now am in a "top of your pay scale" situation because of this).

I hope you find something better, and closer to home!
 
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#22
Re: Asking for and justifying a raise

Yeah, it does suck. I was very committed to this job. I even had an offer for a position at a federal facility as a secretary that paid awesome that I turned down because I was in the middle of this project. And I let them know that before we even had the discussion of a raise. It's also a blessing in disguise... I spend A LOT in gas to get down here. Even if I found a $12/hour job up there, I would be better off. :rolleyes:

I appreciate all of you guys and the honest opinions that you gave. I hope also that someone that may be in my position can learn from me. I should have seen the warning signs a long time ago... right Sidney? But you know what they always say... HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 20/20!!! :2cents:
It's not worth much when you've just been smacked down, but there are few of us who've been around for any significant amount of time who haven't been similarly abused at one time or another. Most times it's completely unavoidable from one's personal perspective, notwithstanding sage advice from others. It's hard to describe what a rat smells like to someone who's never smelled (or been bitten by) one.
 

Randy

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#23
Too bad Kyle and it's too bad your employer is so stupid to realize that you and the process you helped put into place was an investment and not overhead. There was an expectation of return which is apparently being fulfilled.

Get your chute made, RIP as much as possible, stand up, hook up and shuffle to the door.....

Did you guys move up to the desert or something like around Hesperia or V'Ville? I've noticed your profile of Riverside/Corona.

I'll be in V'ville at the end of the month.
 
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KWalls - 2008

#24
Did you guys move up to the desert or something like around Hesperia or V'Ville? I've noticed your profile of Riverside/Corona.
Randy,

I left my profile as Corona/Riverside because that's where my employer is. We're just off of the 91 freeway at the city limits. But, my family and I did move up to Apple Valley about 2 months ago. There are 5 of us... :mg: my MIL lives with us and watches my little girls while I work & my DH goes to trucking school... and the house we WERE in was only 1000 sqft. We couldn't get out of each others way! And rent was expensive there. So we decided to move up there... Bigger house, more land, cheaper rent, closer to family. :bonk: Plus, we lived in the South for 3 years and loved the slower pace. The high desert reminds us of that.
 

ScottK

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#25
Randy,

I left my profile as Corona/Riverside because that's where my employer is. We're just off of the 91 freeway at the city limits. But, my family and I did move up to Apple Valley about 2 months ago. There are 5 of us... :mg: my MIL lives with us and watches my little girls while I work & my DH goes to trucking school... and the house we WERE in was only 1000 sqft. We couldn't get out of each others way! And rent was expensive there. So we decided to move up there... Bigger house, more land, cheaper rent, closer to family. :bonk: Plus, we lived in the South for 3 years and loved the slower pace. The high desert reminds us of that.
wow. Are there lots of mega commutes in So Cal or is it just people I know?
A college friend commutes from Temecula to Rancho Cucamonga and has been doing it for years.
A few years back I worked for a company with a plant in Redlands I'd have to visit a few times a year and I can't imagine the traffic has gotten any better!
 
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KWalls - 2008

#26
wow. Are there lots of mega commutes in So Cal or is it just people I know?
A college friend commutes from Temecula to Rancho Cucamonga and has been doing it for years.
A few years back I worked for a company with a plant in Redlands I'd have to visit a few times a year and I can't imagine the traffic has gotten any better!
Me and one other employee here have "mega commutes"... He drives from Winchester/Temecula to here. But they help him with his gas... :mad:

My commute is about an hour. And it's about $60/week for gas :mg: There are so many people that do it here. Maybe it's because the cities are so close together?? Or maybe SOME people make what they should and can afford the commute? :lol:
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#27
We left Barstow 5 years ago. I remember, but not fondly, my commute from Barstow to Azusa :frust:

Kyle...I'm going to be in Victorville April 28 - May 1 doing audit in the area with a co-worker.
 

Caster

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#28
This whole thread makes me very sad/angry.

You are clearly competent and have a demonstrated success on your hands.

Sadly, your pay rate is much less that the lowest hourly rate at our plant.

Do you have any credentials to go with your skills? It shouldn't be necessary, but our culture seems to focus on degrees over skills.

Perhaps you can talk your current employer into paying for an ASQ CQE course?

How about night school? The next ten years are going to go by anyway, why not get an MBA one course a year?

Heck, why not start your own consulting firm?

Sorry for your troubles, a very unfair situation.
 
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ramvaidhya - 2009

#29
Hello Kyle,

I hope you would have confused much more than earlier. Let me do more to it :confused:... not realy.
The way which worked for me is to have an attitude of " crane waiting for big fish". I use to keep looking for opportunity, whether i am comfortable with the existing position or not. and keep on working to increase my talents. There are cases where i have waited for more than 3 yrs to get a good break...
On your case, just simply ask your employer " how do you find my pay package in relavant to work which i perform? " if answer is not very positive, look outside.

Wishes ,
Ram Vaidhya
 
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KWalls - 2008

#30
We left Barstow 5 years ago. I remember, but not fondly, my commute from Barstow to Azusa :frust:

Kyle...I'm going to be in Victorville April 28 - May 1 doing audit in the area with a co-worker.
Randy,

You will be in my neck of the woods on my birthday!!! :cake:

I cannot believe you commuted from Barstow to AZUSA!!! Too bad they didn't have the 210 connected from the 15 then. That cuts a TON of time off. And it doesn't beat your car up! :rolleyes:
 
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