ASQ Certification - necessary to maintain?

Wes Bucey

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Golly! I hope they are not guilty of plagiarism. The weird part is that ASQ gives same ceu (or RU - recertification units) for a guy who publishes a small article in the Section newsletter as for a guy like Allan Sayle, who publishes a world-recognized textbook on a topic.
Here's the ceu/RU dope:
Recertification by RU credits is a simple process of obtaining a minimum of 18 recertification units (RUs) within your three-year certification period. You may accumulate the 18 RU credits from professional activities that either increase your knowledge of the Body of Knowledge (BOK) or is job enhancing.
To receive the employment RU credits, at least one area of your job duties, responsibilities, and/or functions must fall in at least one area of your certification(s) Body of Knowledge (BOK). Then other category activities must fall in either one area of the certification(s) BOK or be directly job enhancing.
You can download the recertification journal from ASQ to see how it all works:
http://www.asq.org/cert/recert/rucredits/recert_journal_app.pdf (427K)

Check with your local Section - there is always at least one guy who is super savvy about organizing RUs to be in sync so folks with multiple certs can be as efficient as possible in gathering RUs.
 
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Bill Pflanz

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We seem to go in circles on the value of certifications. I believe we have had similar questions in discussions about obtaining employment. If it helps you get past the gatekeeper, why not do it?

ASQ is not the only organization that pushes certifications and makes money off of them. Once a professional engineer, teacher or nurse is licensed, recertification units are required to maintain the license. The main difference is that a governmental agency requires the license to be maintained to continue in the profession. The value of the recertifications is also questionable for these professionals once they have experience. Maybe the better question is: Do we want the government to license us as quality professionals?

If the answer is yes, than should we grandfather people like Wes based on experience?

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Pataha

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I do not believe that it is plagiarism that is occurring. In part is the pressure of having to publish and in part is ignorance that that particular subject has been addressed.
I find in my research for a direction that I believe is unique that just a research that the subject has already been addressed. In my case, it is usually better written. Similar to what I find on this site. Looking back far enough, it has been addressed and usually better written.
However, I do know of a case where someone a couple years ago was given recognization for the same approach that a former boss had published in 1984 in a now defunct magazine.

O.K., so the cert will get you into the door. But if you do not retain the cert is there a trapdoor to remove you?

Craig. - still very interested in an answer to the orignal questiion.
 

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Wes Bucey said:
There was a comment by one of our Covers in the ASQ Living Strategy page (http://www.asq.org/cgi-bin/guestbook/guestbook.cgi) that the Cover's ASQ certifications were about to lapse.

I am intimately aware that Continuing Education Units may be earned toward recertification by merely attending monthly Section meetings and publishing articles which may or may not have anything to do with the topic of one's certification.

I am prompted to ask how many of you who already hold ASQ certifications (which enabled you to get your current job) would be terminated by your employer if you failed to maintain the certification? Do your employers keep track of your certification status and ask for proof of status at regular intervals?

If you employ folks who got the job because of their certification, would you fire them if they let the certification lapse? Why did you answer that way?

Note this inquiry is separate and apart from certifications required to be a third party auditor for a registrar.
Last year we recruited an individual as a Quality Engineer. The job requirement did ask for CSQE and CRE. This individual had passed these exams in the past but did not recertify after 3 years. I don’t think our hiring manager was very concerned about that. That individual had the required skill set, relevant experience and evidence that he/she had already passed the exam. That was sufficient to offer a job.

I am due for recertification myself in couple of months! Recertification log is very general in nature. It is not difficult at all. It does not ask you acquire only Software related job, training, etc for CSQE and Reliability job, training for CRE. (courses need to cover atleast one area of BOK).The recertification merely ensures that one is touch with the overall quality & reliability field continually. This is not necessarily the best way to recertify.

Also this is not bad method.
If an individual passes the CRE exam and later moved on run a grocery store. Further there has been no touch with the subject through any training or attending seminar /conferences, the recertification scheme will be difficult for this individual. This individual cannot and should not claim as an ASQ certified reliability engineer after expiry.

Hence recertification acts as a filter with moderate protection to reduce the risk to community.

I have come across organizations that consider ASQ certification with respect and as a desired qualification. Since ASQ certification is“peer recognition” and not a licence to perform a job (Professional Engineer designation), I do not think an organization would go that far to fire an employee for letting ASQ certification expire.

Regards,
Govind.
 
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