ASQ Training - Tough competition? Is it fair competition?

Coury Ferguson

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tomvehoski said:
The only ASQ training I have ever been to was my ISO Lead Auditor back in 1999 or so. ASQ marketed it, but it was actually delivered by another consulting company (Applied Quality Systems I think). I thought the training was good. I saw it as a win-win-win. ASQ gets some revenue and does not have to keep full time trainers hanging around. The consulting firm gets the marketing power of ASQ (for a fee of course). The trainee has some assurance that the trainer is decent if they have some oversight by ASQ.

I don't see where a "non-profit" equals "non-revenue". All non profit groups bring in revenue - churches, schools, hospitals, charities..... The difference is what happens to the excess revenue.

The local community college offers quality systems training. I'm sure they are a non-profit. Would this be any more offensive for the competition than ASQ doing it? How about AIAG that has a monopoly on some training - they are non-profit too.

Below is a link to the definition of not-for-profit.

http://www.not-for-profit.org/page2.htm

The ASQ Organization, has like many other companies/organizations, a lack of proper direction (maybe Leadership), in my opinion.

I am neither a consultant or a current member (expired) of ASQ. I hope the new leadership in ASQ does their best to get back on track with what they were originally created for to achieve a better understanding and assist members in their endeavors like continuing education, sections which are specific to certain groups or industries. The ability to discuss issues or provide guidance for their members by utilizing other experienced people in the Quality Realm.


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qualityman46

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Yes I will have to agree with Statisyical Steven only certain favored consultants work with ASQ and most cases that I know of ASQ is providing marketing using the ASQ name and reputation.

In so far as comparing ASQ to AIAG and/or a Community College. AIAG is an industry organization that only uses volunteers for input such as standards generation and with a community college they are getting an education in return for fees with little or no volunteers be asked to contribute. I would say a poor analogy. ASQ would not survive without the volunteers doing the work.

I think the members and general public will have the final say. For many years ASQ was not a profit generator and the membership swelled because they focused on their core mission and value to the members.

Over the past several years new membership has fallen off along with renewals. Both existing members and perspective members are questioning the ROI and value.

As I travel around the country and attend chapter meetings I agree that at both the section and division level the leadership seem to be populated with consultants looking for their next customer rather than fostering the profession.
 
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tomvehoski

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The direction or status of ASQ is, IMO, off topic in this thread. If everyone were happy with ASQ, memberships up 20% year after year, etc., would it change opinions on if it is right/wrong for them to provide training.

From the link cited: However, a nonprofit corporation is not prohibited from making a profit, but there are limitations on what it can do with its "profits."

I think the community college example is even more "wrong" than ASQ (not that I really think it is an issue). Lets say I'm a consultant trying to sell auditor training. Macomb Community College has courses anyone can register for in this topic. There is a property tax assement on my house directly related to MCC - therefore I am paying my competition to compete against me, and I have no choice in the matter (other than to move).

AIAG also collects dues (from companies, not sure about individuals), charges for training, etc. I'm not up to date on the relationship between AIAG, IATF, IAOB, etc - but I believe they are all non-profits and have exclusive rights for accredited TS training.

Michigan Manufacturing Technology Center (mmtc.org) is also a non-profit, competing with for profit consultants. Their website even mentions they receive funding from NIST, so there could be more of your tax dollars going to work for your competition. (Again, not sure if NIST is funded by tax dollars).

I'm sure you would have to be "in the know" in some fashion to get into any of these organizations as a trainer.

I have no issue with any of these organizations, but if you want to make the "unfair competition" claim, you have to look way beyond ASQ.
 
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solutions

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What next??

As I was browsing the forum I came upon this thread. Oddly enough (or is it) I was pondering the same questions about ASQ training just yesterday as I received the ASQ wire e-mail. It occurred to me that this is supposed to be the support group for me and my colleagues who are out there trying to make a living. And here is my support group directly competing with me for that living!! Astounding to say the least. And what great advertising they have using my own membership money!

As if it weren't enough to compete with the state subsidized ISO group, now there is a member subsidized group as well. It wouldn't be so bad if ASQ made a concerted effort to utilize the local help, but there seems almost no way into the club and the terms are not the best. As my dues are soon upon me, I have to reconsider the benefits derived from continued membership in an organization that has now become my very obvious competition.

Ah life just keeps throwing those interesting dilemmas at us.

Happy spring!! :confused:
 
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Bill Pflanz

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There is another choice. Work with your local section to provide training. Many ASQ sections already offer refresher training for certification exams and they are normally taught by consultants or members who do get paid as the instructors. What it would take is for your local section to develop a marketing plan for contacting large companies for the training. There is the additional issue about how much the local section should get paid if they sponsor and market the course.

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