Attached is a procedure for writing documents

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energy

#21
Not unusual

RCBeyette said:
However, my organization is guilty of taking this to the extreme! We have our procedure on document control that refers to every work instruction associated with documents.

  • Creating a document
  • Revising a document
  • Reviewing a document
  • Obsoleting a document
  • Requesting a document modification
  • Approving a document
  • Controlling external documents
  • Engineering drawings control
Nothing extreme about the list. Unlike telling you how to "create" (Font style and size-margins, headers/footers) a document, :vfunny: Document/Record Control is a required written procedure. Want another 1994 example? ;)
 
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Tim Folkerts

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#22
We view this "Document for Creating Documents" as somewhere between silly and insulting. But beware, because this may be how "quality" comes across in general to many people.


* a recent thread discussed how to calibrate a tape measure. What do you supose the production workers think of bosses that can't figure out how to work a tape measure? :bonk:

* threre is always thread or two running here about "how do you interpret ISOxxxx.yy.zz.ww". If we find it confusing, what do you suppose executive think? :confused:

* another thread discussed (lazy?) workers who didn't properly fill out all the paperwork asked of them. Do you think they would be surprised that there is also a "Document for Creating Documents"? :rolleyes:

I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers - just point out that "quality" can come across as a lot of paperwork without any clear, direct benefit. One of the big challenges in the quality profession is to choose the right level of implementation for each situation AND to sell this position to the people involved.

Tim
 
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energy

#23
Tim Folkerts said:
I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers - just point out that "quality" can come across as a lot of paperwork without any clear, direct benefit. One of the big challenges in the quality profession is to choose the right level of implementation for each situation AND to sell this position to the people involved.
Tim
Okay Tim, I think we get it. This post was very close to a repeat of your other one in this thread, including repeating "not trying to ruffle any feathers". I see by your profile that you are not in the manufacturing sector, rather you are from the "Education" arena. For many people who haven't enjoyed a working history in an environment where practical everyday "Q" problems exist, there is, I admit, what appears to be confusion. Trust me. These forums are not unlike throwing out ideas to students and soliciting feedback. These posts aren't meant to be read like a textbook. It's a compilation of experiences and advice from members who speak the "language". :vfunny: If you stick around a bit, you too, will begin to grasp it. ;)
 
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Wes Bucey

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energy said:
Okay Tim, I think we get it. This post was very close to a repeat of your other one in this thread, including repeating "not trying to ruffle any feathers". I see by your profile that you not in the manufacturing sector, rather you are from the "Education" arena. For many people who haven't enjoyed a working history in an environment where practical everyday "Q" problems exist, there is, I admit, what appears to be confusion. Trust me. These forums are not unlike throwing out ideas to students and soliciting feedback. These posts aren't meant to be read like a textbook. It's a compilation of experiences and advice from members who speak the "language". :vfunny: If you stick around a bit, you too, will begin to grasp it. ;)
Yep. Kind of like the difference between a math course and a philosophy course. In one, challenging the professor is tantamount to suicide; in the other, you get an "Attaboy!"

Ruffling feathers is subjective. The key to avoiding ruffled feathers may be in attacking the IDEA, not the person who propounds it.

Even so. Some of us have ultrasensitive antenna, which detect ALL dissent as a personal attack.:agree: :frust:
 

Tim Folkerts

Super Moderator
#25
Sorry,

I must be going blind! :eek:

I looked but somehow didn't see my first post appear, so I thought I hadn't actually sent it. So I tried to remember what I said the first time and restate it. :bonk:

Tim
 
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energy

#26
All about perception

Wes Bucey said:
Yep. Kind of like the difference between a math course and a philosophy course. In one, challenging the professor is tantamount to suicide; in the other, you get an "Attaboy!"

Ruffling feathers is subjective. The key to avoiding ruffled feathers may be in attacking the IDEA, not the person who propounds it.

Even so. Some of us have ultrasensitive antenna, which detect ALL dissent as a personal attack. :agree: :frust:
"We view this "Document for Creating Documents" as somewhere between silly and insulting. But beware, because this may be how "quality" comes across in general to many people."

"just point out that "quality" can come across as a lot of paperwork without any clear, direct benefit."

"Even so. Some of us have ultrasensitive antenna, which detect ALL dissent as a personal attack."

:topic: Because we already went to reviewing an example of what document "overkill" is to what others may think about the "Q" profession, I'll just jump in and ask those with them antenna sensitivity problems to please turn them down. Especially, if they are tuned to "ALL" dissent. :vfunny:
 
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