Audit to Airbus Specifications - Auditing the Airbus GRAMS Specification

[Corsair]

Sorry, my fault for not clarifying earlier.

First, I jus was assigned to do some extra work and take over the duties for this supplier rep- who is on leave.
I sarted last Monday on this new role and in digging on the data I found out about the PO.

Now,the company that I work for has Airbus as a customer, we are a new facility with a new location of a bigger aerospace co- that will be independent, and we are "not" AS9100 Certified yet. Although the Audit is coming soon.

At the same time we have suppliers on our own and some of them will be ready for FAI under AS9102 for this coming weeks.
I will try to explain to my boss that I am not aware of any documentation that replaces the PO which is one of the non comformances I found and that tha FAI can not be completed without this order.
The other finding is that a BOM calls out for a wrong hardware for another supplier whos is ready for Process Qualification (I was notify by the supplier on this one).

First I would say that we need to find out where we are oueselves internally
wait to be AS9100 certified and then present this GRAMS to them and not flowing down bad and or non info- at all.
The PO is a must have before the parties are in mutaul agreement with the contract requirements.
I am already sorry that I accepted this extra duties.

 

[michellemmm]

This may be of your customer but you are not required to clone there system. You are required to flow their requirements into your systems as appropriate and then show how you have addressed them. I have work in organizations the must meet Boeing, Untied Technology Corp. Airbus, NASA, Etc. plus medical device quality system requirements all at the same time and never once did we clone the customer quality system to show conformance.

Jeff,
You touched a sore subject. I also have worked with numerous QMS, including implantable devices.... Maybe one of these days I am going to write a book about my one year of exposure to this "master/Slave" relationship with this customer. They are 100x worse than WalMart... Unfortunately, my superior does not stand up to them...

Last request I had from this customer made me get up and tell them if they do not withdraw that, I was going to go home; that was QA Activity Report in depth... We have two team members and have to satisfy 10 to 12 myopic engineers.... Their auditing is another JOKE... You pass the audit and then they after two or three days they manufacture non-compliance....

They are relocating our company and have asked me to stay on board until November, 2011.... Hmmm... Not sure. I am not a quitter, but....
Thanks,
Michelle

 

[Jeff Frost]

Michellemmm Sorry for your plight but start negotiating your exit now and have it documented in writing if you elect to stay until November.

 

[Jeff Frost]

Corsair

So it looks like you need some direction so here is what could be done:

1) You temporarily have become part of the procurement department so take a little time to review procedures and work instruction associated with the work you must perform so you will fully understand the process.

2) Understand that your suppliers are only obligated to complete an AS9102 FAI to the requirements flowed down to them and nothing more. In other words you must pay for any product delivered to the requirement specified. If you gave them the wrong requirement or incomplete requirements and the supplier delivers the product conforming to the contract it’s yours even if it can’t be used.

3) You have identified a problem that puts your organization in jeopardy so fix it. Get with your suppliers and review what they have and if needed send them any additional information so they can deliver conforming product that is usable. If PO have to be issued or amended to so.

It also looks as if you should take time to review AS9100 and AS9102 because your answers seem to indicate you believe your suppliers are required to meet these standards and not your organization. I might be wrong but there is that hint in your replies.

 

[Corsair]

How you approach your boss to tell him this ?
I do think they already know don't you think ?

My guess is that they may be working on a supplemental document to put in place instead of the PO.

Also, there is severals out of tolerance parts that the supplier send us on conssecions,and there is not a CAR issued on those parts.

 

[hkrammer]

The audit process regrading GRAMS is an Airbus Process called Industrial Process Control Assessment (IPCA) and last generaly 3 days. It contains evaluating the risks in Industrial Documentation, Materials Management, Industrial Resource Management, Tooling Definition, Purchasing Control, Process Monitoring and Manufacturing Processes.

 

[Mastapain]

Hello,

We are being audited on GRAMS (IPCA) by Airbus in near future. If you are interested in outcome and my impressions/experiences just let me know. I will try to provide you a feedback when it gets finished.

Take care

 

[Iuwee]

Hello,

We are being audited on GRAMS (IPCA) by Airbus in near future. If you are interested in outcome and my impressions/experiences just let me know. I will try to provide you a feedback when it gets finished.

Take care

Could you please share your IPCA checklist and experience of the IPCA audit? what was the key learning?

 

[Jim Wynne]

Could you please share your IPCA checklist and experience of the IPCA audit? what was the key learning?

You've replied to a post from 10 years ago, and the person you've replied to is no longer a registered user.

 

[Iuwee]

thank you @Jim Wynne