Auditing The Lead Auditor

KIDDO

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#1
Good Day all;

I am the ISO 9001:2000 Lead Auditor for the company I work for. I AM THE ONLY AUDITOR for the company that I work for. Therefore, who can audit me? Our certified internal auditors are no longer with us and they have not been replaced yet. I am finishing up my internal audits of the processes except for Internal Auditing.

The Quality Manager stated that he will audit me. He is not "certified" as an auditor so would this fly with a 3rd party auditor? :cool:

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

thanks
Kiddo
 
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Ted Schmitt

#2
The Quality Manager stated that he will audit me. He is not "certified" as an auditor so would this fly with a 3rd party auditor? :cool:

What do you mean by "he is not certified"? Does he have an internal audit course under his belt? Is it recent? If so, I see no problem in him auditing you...
 
#4
You can train him to audit whatever. Just make sure that the training is documented, on file and available for review. Same thing happens here, people come and go, so you have to train new people. I have never had an issue with an outside auditor for doing things in this manner. Of course I will fight any auditor who imposes or tries to impose his methods on our company.

I would suggest that you accompany him during the first five audits he performs. You will have to train him to issue n/c's, if necessary. If you only use him for internal audits, the steelmaiden is correct, it won't take long.
 

Randy

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#6
Try this exercise to help come up with the solution....

You got hit by a bus on the way to work and can't do the audit scheduled for today (and today is the drop-dead dead if it isn't done).

What's the solution?
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#7
Try this exercise to help come up with the solution....

You got hit by a bus on the way to work and can't do the audit scheduled for today (and today is the drop-dead dead if it isn't done).

What's the solution?

Gee, Randy, couldn't you at least let him win the lotto or something...rather than the old "hit by the bus..." Have a heart!
 
A

amanbhai

#9
Good Day all;

I am the ISO 9001:2000 Lead Auditor for the company I work for. I AM THE ONLY AUDITOR for the company that I work for. Therefore, who can audit me? Our certified internal auditors are no longer with us and they have not been replaced yet. I am finishing up my internal audits of the processes except for Internal Auditing.

The Quality Manager stated that he will audit me. He is not "certified" as an auditor so would this fly with a 3rd party auditor? :cool:

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

thanks
Kiddo
The same problem happens here too.
I maintain both ISO 9001 & ISO 17025 as an MR. The internal auditor is only quaified to do ISO 9001 audits. On the contrary when he audits MR he audits both ISO 9001 as well as ISO 17025. The reason that he mentions is that the management clauses are same for both the standards.
 
#10
In this situation I usually suggest asking some other company nearby, if they would be interested in swapping favours: They audit you and you audit them, and both get a learning experience and widened views as a bonus.

/Claes
I fully agree with Claes; our experience in using auditors from other companies has been excellent. We have also tried the following: (a) we invited retired employees (qualified auditors) to carry out our internal audit and (b) we invited qualified auditors from other Divisions/Factories of the company to carry out our internal audit. In both the cases the results were excellent.
 
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