Auditing to ISO 9001:2008 - How do we qualify ourselves?

[Randy]

You forgot the accompanying smiley:
Now he owe us $500.

I'll split it with ya Sid

 

[AndyN]

I'll split it with ya Sid

I want in!

 

[Sidney Vianna]

I want in!

After we are done with the carcass....

 

[Helmut Jilling]

Hi Randy,
I understand that the new released standard is for clarity and not a major revision. I agree with you and that would be good however there are some might require us to attend the ISO9001:2008 version. If that would happen what do we have to show as a competency to audit the said standard.
Best regards,
Raffy

I think the point would be, if someone was already competent to the ISO 9001:2000 standard, then they would be deemed competent to the ISO 9001:2008 standard.

But, refresher can be beneficial, and training for new auditors is very beneficial. I would also expect the organization to read and review the new standard for themselves.

 

[db]

But, refresher can be beneficial, and training for new auditors is very beneficial. I would also expect the organization to read and review the new standard for themselves.

I just finished teaching a course at a client's. They had a couple of new auditors, but wanted a refresher for their existing auditors. Although it was undoubtedly more than the experienced folks needed, it did allow great interaction between the two groups. It also gives an opportunity for the experienced folks to gather information that might make their audits even more beneficial.

 

[Helmut Jilling]

I just finished teaching a course at a client's. They had a couple of new auditors, but wanted a refresher for their existing auditors. Although it was undoubtedly more than the experienced folks needed, it did allow great interaction between the two groups. It also gives an opportunity for the experienced folks to gather information that might make their audits even more beneficial.

That's a great point. If any of you work at a company that still has money, this slow time in the economy is a GREAT time to get some training and improve people's competencies and abilities to do even better work.

During the busy times, you don't have time, during the slow times, there is no money. If you can break out of that rut, this is a great opportunity for all kinds of improvements. And, it reduces layoffs, too.

 

[bhartigambhir]

If your company is already certified than an internal trainer i.e. MR of the company make the highlights of the changes and give a 2 hrs training to everyone for understanding the changes inline with the current system is enough.

 

[Randy]

If your company is already certified than an internal trainer i.e. MR of the company make the highlights of the changes and give a 2 hrs training to everyone for understanding the changes inline with the current system is enough.

2 hours? You can cover the new words in 5 minutes (there are no changes or new requirements)

 

[Jim Wynne]

2 hours? You can cover the new words in 5 minutes (there are no changes or new requirements)

It's like the Two Minutes Hate.

 

[AndyN]

2 hours? You can cover the new words in 5 minutes (there are no changes or new requirements)

And, may I ask, why is even the internal auditor being asked to consider these ISO documents anyway? It's a big mistake, IMHO, to even equip an internal auditor with a copy of ISO (or a similarly worded checklist) to do an audit. Internal audits should be focused on the processes of the organization and their performance, not being capable of nitpicking the parts of the peppercorn.........