Auditor Certification II - Auditor Certification - IRCA/RAB 5 day lead auditor course

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Al Dyer

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Originally posted by WALLACE:
Al, ......To further comment regarding the lack of internal QMS knowledge and fighting for organizational interpretation of a quality standard when being assessed by a registrar, I have actually found that when the quality manager is absent from any part of an assessment, the ability of executive management steping in and attempting to sve face regarding even understanding the QMS standard of compliance and internal intent is in many cases embarassing to witness.
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Wallace,

It has been my experience that there should be a Management Representative position in a company that answers to upper management and does not work for any of the other "Managers" in the organization.

It is their job to work with registrars and auditors to answer the minute detail questions and direct them to the proper functions that perform the actual duties.

I have witnessed quality managers that could not recite their own name let alone know how the entire structure fits in to the boundries of an ISO/QS/TS system. (yes, that is after training)

Upper management should know the policies and business plans.

Department managers should know the procedures and related instructions to carry out their function.

The management representative should know the document structure and the relationship between differing functions in the organization so they can direct internal and external auditors/assessors/customers to a place where their questions can be answered.

By the way, the last persons I would lead the auditor to would be upper management. (i.e. Owner/President/V.P. etc...)

They think they know the system but tend to ramble on and on and on and on and eventually put their feet in their mouths and open new doors for the auditor.

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Al,
I agree with your observations.
Marc, Auditor certification III? No I believe we've got a little more to comment on within #II but, I think a nerve has been pinched with this subject, I hope it turns out to be constuctive and not destructive. I sincerely hope that the registrars and organizations such as ASQ are looking at the cove (they must be) with extreme interest.
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Originally posted by Al Dyer:
Marc,

Is it time to start Auditor Certification III?

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Al Dyer

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Marc,

Thanks for the instructions, I'm still somewhat new as how to do perform certain activities here.
 
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