Auditor Certification - IRCA/RAB 5 day lead auditor course and exam - Bad Experience

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Randy

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OK..........I was just trying to say that a good solid environmental background seems to me to be more preferable for an EMS auditor than a quality one. I've been involved in what I consider to be quality and I know a little about it. I was a aircraft (helicopter mainly) QC Inspector for Lockheed (a rather small outfit). I did all the in-process maintenance inspections and the 1st Test-flight as a crew-member. I could guarantee that everything was right before I put my butt in the left seat of a copter.

A quality guy may believe the story that an organization has no significant environmental impacts with green smoke, black smelly water and 2 headed ducks around a facility, but I would really question it, as I would regulatory compliance.

As a side note, I shot a bank robber (I was a copper) in'74 (no prison term was required for him).

[This message has been edited by Randy (edited 28 March 2001).]
 
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Al Dyer

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From Wallace:

"I have came to the conclusion that the best auditor is the auditor who gets out there and gains some experience from a number of quality audit encounters ......."

Does the title matter? No
Does experience matter? Yes
Does the process have holes? Yes
Has there been any corrective actions? I don't know, interpretations can be as confusing as the standards.
Will the system improve itself? Yes, over time with our input.
Do we have free will to decide our path? Yes
Should we keep trying to improve? Yes

Come on, let's get real and decide as individual companies what our directions are and work with our targeted customers to develop a relationship that is beneficial ($$$) to all involved, this includes the relationship between a registrar/auditor that is in tune with business functions.

If a requirement is quantified who cares if it is ASQ RAB ITF ABC XQO YUI etc..., the evidence is there for the customer.

If not evident I agree with Wallace!

ASD... (waiting patiently alternate views)
 

Marc

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One thing I rarely hear any more is that an auditor should have work experience in the field they are auditing. This is often not the case any more and many times it causes a lot of problems.
 
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Dilshiya

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I am beginning the lead auditors course from 2nd to 6th of next month and I am worried about the test which I am told is very tough. I was wondering if anyone could send me some past papers or whatever so that I can at least get an idea as to what sort of questions will be asked. We are allowed to take the delegage manual for the test, that's what worries me. Any help?
 
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I read with interest your comments about auditor training. I am an independent consultant from UK who also works globally as a Lead assessor for TS16949, QS9000 and ISO9000:2000. It is my understanding that IRCA accredits auditor training courses for ISO9000. There are some rules on content but much flexibility on how the course is put together and presented. IRCA does not design the courses, the course provider does. If you get a bum deal its the course providers fault not IRCAs. Incidentally there is no specific ISO9000 requirement for internal auditors to be trained using a registered course, so long as they have suitable training. On the subject of bum courses, I would be interested to hear comments from any assessors who have gone thro QS or TS certification exam or re-cert exam. Ten out of ten of our assessors failed QS re-cert exam first time. I passed 2nd time but my performance at the re-take was inferior to my original sitting. I spoke recently with MD of another international assessment body, he submitted 26 assessors for QS re-cert all failed first time. Is someone making big bucks out of exam re-sits at $1000+ a time ??? In the end the cost will be passed on to the client one way or another. There's now a global shortage of QS and TS assessors who have re-qualified.
 
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