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Big Jim

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Helmut Jilling said:
On TS-16949, recently in July 2013 I was in a meeting with Dale Hammer, IAOB President, and he commented that he expects that TS will adopt the ISO 9001 changes, and do a release perhaps in 2016. That would be consistent with the pattern that ISO standards have followed.
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That's interesting news. The dust may not have settled yet though as there has also been some news from TS 16949 that they will not follow the new high level format.

I hope for the sake of consistancy that both 13485 and 16949 do stay with the ISO 9001 format, whatever that may turn out to be.
 
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Boingo-boingo

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Helmut Jilling said:
On TS-16949, recently in July 2013 I was in a meeting with Dale Hammer, IAOB President, and he commented that he expects that TS will adopt the ISO 9001 changes, and do a release perhaps in 2016.
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I heard recently from a VERY high level representative of the US TAG to the TC 176 that the automotive Industry has ALREADY decided that the TS 16949 document will detach/decouple/disentangle/dissociate....from ISO 9001:2015.

ISO has allowed the automotive industry to abuse the ISO standards development process and deliberately disregard the rules for the development and maintenance of the TS 16949 document, in an attempt to appease the big automakers and, generate some additional revenue. Now, it seems, that the automotive industry will go elsewhere for their new QMS standard. Maybe ISO will learn the lesson. Maybe.
 
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AndyN

Moved On
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Boingo-boingo said:
I heard recently from a VERY high level representative of the US TAG to the TC 176 that the automotive Industry has ALREADY decided that the TS 16949 document will detach/decouple/disentangle/dissociate....from ISO 9001:2015.

ISO has allowed the automotive industry to abuse the ISO standards development process and deliberately disregard the rules for the development and maintenance of the TS 16949 document, in an attempt to appease the big automakers and, generate some additional revenue. Now, it seems, that the automotive industry will go elsewhere for their new QMS standard. Maybe ISO will learn the lesson. Maybe.
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They threatened such a split in the days of QS-9000. I'll be :popcorn:
 
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LUV-d-4UM

Quite Involved in Discussions
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Can someone differentiate between an Observation and Continuous Improvement? I thought I understood it all but I think I will need a refresher thought on this one. Thank you all.

Appreciate an audit report of ISO9001:2015.
 
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ahollandutk

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First of all, thank you to everyone contributing to this thread.

Is the required date for certification to 2015 exactly 3 years from the final issue date? So, if released October 5, 2015, recertification is required October 5, 2018?
 
Jim Wynne

Jim Wynne

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ahollandutk said:
First of all, thank you to everyone contributing to this thread.

Is the required date for certification to 2015 exactly 3 years from the final issue date? So, if released October 5, 2015, recertification is required October 5, 2018?
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The 3 years is a "cushion" for recertification audits. You will need to be in line with the 2015 version at the first recert audit after it's released, which can be no more than three years after release.
 
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Reg Morrison

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Jim Wynne said:
You will need to be in line with the 2015 version at the first recert audit after it's released, which can be no more than three years after release.
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I am sure that, in due time, the IAF will release a policy on the transition. But, while it might be a good idea for the certification transition to happen during a recertification audit, post release of the ISO 9001 5th Edition, in some cases, it might not be mandatory. For example, let's imagine that the revised standard official release date is September 15, 2015. If a certified organization has a certificate expiring September 16 or 30, they might not be ready for the transition audit so soon. Even the 3rd party auditors might not be qualified to audit against the new version of the standard so soon. Who knows, the accreditation bodies might invoke an accreditation upgrade of the registrars, before they can audit and certify organizations to ISO 9001:2015.

In those cases, I am sure the policy laid out by the IAF will allow the transitions to happen as part of surveillance, recertification and special audits.
 
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ahollandutk

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Thank you for your input! I am working with several companies who were working towards certification to 2008 by 2nd quarter 2015. We were trying to decide if they should continue on that path so that they can go ahead and get certified, or modify our strategy to meet 2015 with the risk of certification being delayed. Thoughts?
 
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qpled

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I would recommend being certified to 9001:2008 since there is always the chance that 9001:2015 will be delayed, and as people have mentioned you will have 3 years after 9001:2008 certification to recertify to a new 9001...
 
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