Automotive Customer asking PPAP for catalogue parts

[optomist1]

agreed.....having or requiring PPAP defeats at least one of the purposes of having at the ready Catalogue parts.....PPAP done right is not inexpensive $$ and time, once the customer understands the costs to PPAP they may have second thoughts

 

[Ninja]

agreed.....having or requiring PPAP defeats at least one of the purposes of having at the ready Catalogue parts.....PPAP done right is not inexpensive $$ and time, once the customer understands the costs to PPAP they may have second thoughts

Consider that "PPAP done right" is not a concrete term. There is a whole lot of flexibility within the PPAP process, including waiving pretty much everything...

 

[WiXoo]

Ok than and what about Part Change Request? Is there somewhere a requirement in standard (IATF), that for every part change, there must be an obligation to announce this change to your customer?

For customized parts - there is no doubt. But for catalogue parts?

 

[Ninja]

Understanding customer requirements...since this is an automotive thread, I think you'll find that your customer requires notice of any change. Read the contracts...its 99.999% sure to be there unless you already negotiated it out (doubtful).

Custom part, catalog parts....any automotive customer I've ever worked with has had fairly extensive "lock down procedures" to avoid any unapproved changes, and to ensure that you will continue making that same part for X years to come.

 

[WiXoo]

Understanding customer requirements...since this is an automotive thread, I think you'll find that your customer requires notice of any change. Read the contracts...its 99.999% sure to be there unless you already negotiated it out (doubtful).

Custom part, catalog parts....any automotive customer I've ever worked with has had fairly extensive "lock down procedures" to avoid any unapproved changes, and to ensure that you will continue making that same part for X years to come.

We are the customer. But for some reason maker didn't sign the quality contract with us. But this is not my problém.

I'm sorry but I have problem with this. If it is catalogue part - part for free market, which I can buy freely, to whom shall maker send change notice? To all people who every bought their product? This is non-sense.

 

[Ninja]

We are the customer.

Understood. And you either did, or did not enter into a contractual agreement with them that they would not make changes without approval.

But for some reason maker didn't sign the quality contract with us.

OK, so you did NOT enter into said contractual agreement...at least not that one...are there others? PPAP, purchasing contract, etc.?
A very big "oops" on your side, but you choose to do business with them anyway...your call. But you can no longer 'force' them to play by your rules.
If they are IATF, they must pay attention to your request...but they are not required to follow it.
The balance of this is that you are not forced (by them) to buy from them either.

If it is catalogue part - part for free market, which I can buy freely, to whom shall maker send change notice?

To those with whom they have agreed to do so, which apparently does not include your company.

I buy paper from OfficeMax...I have no agreement with them...they can change paper any time they want.
I buy material to spec from another vendor, with an agreement in place that no changes are permitted to rawmats, process or packaging. They have contractually agreed to get my approval before making any changes.

 

[Lukasz86]

I'm sorry but I have problem with this. If it is catalogue part - part for free market, which I can buy freely, to whom shall maker send change notice? To all people who every bought their product? This is non-sense.

For OTS parts there are some standards to help with that. For example, there is something called PCN (Product Change Notification) - it is a standard that a producer CAN follow - so you need to check that. How it works? The producer informs the distributors/customers that the change in the product will be made. They are not asking you for the permission, but informing what will be changed and when, so you have time to adjust your process and inform your customers.