Become AS9100C certified...then move the facility.

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Colley82

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My company's AS9100 certification expired before transitioning to Rev. C. Due to pending customer orders the GM would like to get the AS9100C certification back asap. This is not such a big deal since the company was Rev. B certified, however the company's lease on the current building is coming to an end, and plans to move the facility to another location have already begun. The Stage 2 audit is schedule for the end of May, and the company has plans to move in July or August. I was told by the GM not to mention the move, because we are going to have to be re-certified once we move. It it true that moving the facilities location requires an ISO AS9100C re-certification? I'm a bit confused about this only because this company doesn't have any production lines. It is a fairly new company that currently deals with prototype products. I'm just curious to know how the registrar is going to respond. Anyone have any ideas?
 
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I'd suggest your GM doesn't understand what he's talking about and clearly doesn't think much of the CB relationship/certification to AS etc.

I'd recommend you speak with your CB. Only they can tell you what they do, given these situations. Other CBs (represented here) may tell you something else, so you may not be any better off. Part of the issue is how far the move is. But one thing is very wrong - keeping 'quiet' about it. That speaks to a very poor attitude, IMHO!
 

Sidney Vianna

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But one thing is very wrong - keeping 'quiet' about it. That speaks to a very poor attitude, IMHO!
I agree, Andy. Now for the "show me the shall" part: ISO 17021 stipulates the following:
8.6.3 Notice of changes by a client
The certification body shall have legally enforceable arrangements to ensure that the certified client informs the certification body, without delay, of matters that may affect the capability of the management system to continue to fulfil the requirements of the standard used for certification.
These include, for example, changes relating to
a) the legal, commercial, organizational status or ownership,
b) organization and management (e.g. key managerial, decision-making or technical staff),
c) contact address and sites,
d) scope of operations under the certified management system, and
e) major changes to the management system and processes.
An organization who (deliberately or otherwise) fail to disclose significant changes to their CB are in contractual breach and might see their certification voided. Furthermore, most aerospace OEMs monitor the address of their suppliers and if the information does not match the address in the suppliers certificates, they might question the veracity of the certificate.

As for a plant relocation, and it's impact on the continuing validity of the certification, there are many variables: what is the % of the workforce relocating? And the production equipment? Is it the same? Obviously, an office operation will see much less "disruption" when they relocate, compared to a manufacturing operation, but, as Andy mentioned, the right approach is to be transparent with your certification body and let them ask the proper questions. Hiding the information from the registrar not only is wrong, but, as mentioned above, constitutes a contractual breach.
 

Big Jim

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I would like to mention that I have been the auditor for companies that have and companies that have not kept their certification bodies informed about moves, and you are most certainly better off keeping them informed.

Nobody likes surprises.

Besides, if they know, they can be most helpful.
 

dsanabria

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I agree, Andy. Now for the "show me the shall" part: ISO 17021 stipulates the following:
An organization who (deliberately or otherwise) fail to disclose significant changes to their CB are in contractual breach and might see their certification voided. Furthermore, most aerospace OEMs monitor the address of their suppliers and if the information does not match the address in the suppliers certificates, they might question the veracity of the certificate.

As for a plant relocation, and it's impact on the continuing validity of the certification, there are many variables: what is the % of the workforce relocating? And the production equipment? Is it the same? Obviously, an office operation will see much less "disruption" when they relocate, compared to a manufacturing operation, but, as Andy mentioned, the right approach is to be transparent with your certification body and let them ask the proper questions. Hiding the information from the registrar not only is wrong, but, as mentioned above, constitutes a contractual breach.
Thanks Sidney...

The next step that registrar could probably take is to recommend that you get certified to AS9100 Rev C, and after the move they will invoke AS9101 Rev D clause 4.3.6 Special Audits


"Special audits can be performed anytime during the certification cycle in response to one of the following situations:

a) in response to a customer or other interested party request, when a serious issue (supported by objective evidence) has been identified;

NOTE: In this case, the requester shall be notified in advance of the audit dates and made aware of the audit results.

b) in response to an organization’s request to change their scope of certification (commonly known as extensions to scope) or revise the listing of certified sites;"


Registrar / auditors will be looking for items such as - communications with all customers, "frozen Processes" and customers approval, concerns or additional instructions - such as FAIR (First Article Inspection Report) and any other areas of concern.

Please - do not hide information from the registrar - work with them.:2cents:
 
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