Beginning a Supplier Corrective Action Program

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I am in the process of developing and implementing a Supplier Corrective action procedure. I can't decide how the best way to go about establishing the requirement for a vendor to respond to corrective action. I don't want to request a CAR for every nonconformance.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
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Hi Melinda,

no need to ask for CA every time.

It' s your choice, it' s your decision.

If you think CA is necessary to fit your purposes, make sure that CA are effectively performed by vendors and perform process audit accordingly.

Rgds. Franco
 
Hello Melinda, and welcome to the Cove :bigwave:

MelindaN said:
I don't want to request a CAR for every nonconformance.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Very sensible...and as Franco says, not necessary. Just adapt your procedure to your needs.

I vould like to start things off by suggesting a look in the following threads:

Recording the results of Supplier Evaluation
SCAR (Supplier Corrective Action request) Charge Back
Supplier Corrective Actions - EFFECTIVE corrective actions on CAR's
Request to Supplier for Corrective Action - Trouble with getting a response

And a general look in the Nonconformance and Corrective Action Systems forum.

/Claes
 
Claes Gefvenberg said:
Hello Melinda, and welcome to the Cove :bigwave:

Very sensible...and as Franco says, not necessary. Just adapt your procedure to your needs.

I vould like to start things off by suggesting a look in the following threads:

Recording the results of Supplier Evaluation
SCAR (Supplier Corrective Action request) Charge Back
Supplier Corrective Actions - EFFECTIVE corrective actions on CAR's
Request to Supplier for Corrective Action - Trouble with getting a response

And a general look in the Nonconformance and Corrective Action Systems forum.

/Claes
I'd like to add the following:
Attitude between supplier and customer is the most important factor here. The idea is to foster a concept of "joint" effort toward producing and receiving conforming product.

Certainly, a distinction ought to be made between
  • nonconformances which are form, fit, function, or life-health-safety issues (definitely need root cause examination and subsequent correction)
    and
  • those which are technical glitches (missing document, miscount, early or late delivery) in the delivery system.
It's important to make a distinction in the "corrective action" sought.
  1. Does the customer want repair/replacement of goods?
    (or "Just do better next time"?)
  2. Is this a request to pay for sorting at customer's receiving station?
  3. Is the technical glitch [missing documentation/miscount/early or late delivery] causing a crisis at the customer's facility? This is a matter for discussion with supplier, not just shuffling of CA forms [a form of playing "gotcha" when canceling an order or dropping a supplier.]
 
Wes Bucey said:
I'd like to add the following:
Attitude between supplier and customer is the most important factor here. The idea is to foster a concept of "joint" effort toward producing and receiving conforming product.

Certainly, a distinction ought to be made between
  • nonconformances which are form, fit, function, or life-health-safety issues (definitely need root cause examination and subsequent correction)
    and
  • those which are technical glitches (missing document, miscount, early or late delivery) in the delivery system.
It's important to make a distinction in the "corrective action" sought.
  1. Does the customer want repair/replacement of goods?
    (or "Just do better next time"?)
  2. Is this a request to pay for sorting at customer's receiving station?
  3. Is the technical glitch [missing documentation/miscount/early or late delivery] causing a crisis at the customer's facility? This is a matter for discussion with supplier, not just shuffling of CA forms [a form of playing "gotcha" when canceling an order or dropping a supplier.]

Very well stated Wes! Let me add that on our Non-Conformance Report we have a block that demands that supplier determine "root cause" and Corrective Action. But as the QA guy I have to examine the facts and if the problem is a "random" type problem we can cushion that a bit. If the problem is a repeat, then we might get a little nasty! :whip: Either way a credit is immediatley taken!
 
How about issuing the same CA that you do to all others??? Your not dealing with the great apes in Space Odyssesy, people that just may need a call on the phone to say "you have a problem" and I am sending over a report I need you to complete.

Why make it hard when it can be made easy, for the recipient.

Al...
 
Al Dyer said:
How about issuing the same CA that you do to all others??? Your not dealing with the great apes in Space Odyssesy, people that just may need a call on the phone to say "you have a problem" and I am sending over a report I need you to complete.

Why make it hard when it can be made easy, for the recipient.

Al...
Yep. Al. :agree1: Good advice, EXCEPT when your organization is caught in the great maw of some Standard or some Regulation that makes the documentation of such things imperative. All Standards and Regulations I'm aware of, however, DO ALLOW room for levels of response to nonconformities. As you suggest - the trick is to look at the end goal of resolving an issue and not the short term task of shuffling paper. Certainly, the "sugar" of the phone call first helps the supplier recognize you are not trying to sandbag him.

One further point to the "sugar" -
  • not "YOU have a problem,"
  • but, "WE have a situation to resolve."
It helps to tell the supplier what you expect as a resolution - not just "fill out this form!" I've found it helps motivate the supplier to complete the CA process quicker when we explain how we are impacted by the nonconformance:
  • We have a line down
  • We can't pay you until this is resolved
  • We can't accept new shipments from you until this is resolved
I often offered to supply my personnel if the supplier was short on manpower or his existing manpower was short on capability. Once we retrained three whole shifts (including supervisors) at a supplier doing contract assembly because he didn't have competent trainers. Any alternate course of action would have involved more time, money, and "fear of the unknown."
 
Thanks to all

Each of you have helped in guiding my decision making process and I thank you.
It is easy to get caught-up in the standard and loose focus on the original intent. I feel like most suppliers are well meaning and we generally only need to encourage them in the right direction.
I try to put myself in thier position and treat them the way I would want to be treated.
Again I appriciate all of the comments. We are in the process of beginning the transition from ISO 9002:1994 to ISO 9001:2000. This is part of the reason for my post. I don't want to step on the toes of any standards. I have read the new on and It is vague in regard to vendor requirements. I think the new standard wants the same thing we do. Good parts and happy customers in the end. :applause:
 
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